need help! Very Weird!

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 I am not sure this is the right place to post my question but i will do it anyway.
Last Sunday (April 24th), i got a golden retriever (1.5 yrs old) from a breeder. He is very weird and i never see a dog like him in my entire life. He makes me wonder what he had suffered before...something must have happened to him!!!
I brought him home around 1pm and took to the vet immediately for check up and shots. He won't move and i have carry him, since the vet only next to my house. On the way home, i try to put him down and walk, he will not walk.
He got home, he quickly ran to the corner and stayed there since until today. He hasn't move a bit. He pee while lying down!!!!!!!!!!! all over his body!!!!!!!!!!! He will not eat if i was there watching! When i walked close to him, he seems very very very scare and trying to hide and very nervous!!!!!!! He gives me a sign that he was abused!!!!!!!
Can anyone advise what should i do with him? Is he still able to be recover to be a normal happy golden retriever? One thing i am sure is; i will not return him to the breeder. I am thinking if i should report this to the proper authority for investigation for animal abuse?
Any information of how to make this poor golden back to a normal happy golden would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Jack

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aww thats really sad to hear that!! aww sorry!! im not sure really what to do but there is more exsperince people here like Renee shes good at these things!! aww sorry to hear that well keep us updated!! good luck!!

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That poor boy! It does sound like he's been abused.
Patience, quietness and calmness are the best therapy to start with a dog in this shape. Don't overwhelm him with attention or affection to start with, just quiet talking to him, a gentle stroke every now and then, sit down several feet from him, beside him, not in front of him, and just talk to him softly. You can hold a few treats in your hand and hold your hand out flat with the treats on it in a position close enough that he can stretch his head out to sniff. Let him make the move to take a treat and praise him when he does. Keep working with him like that and you will win him over and you will have a devoted companion.
You've got a real opportunity to do something wonderful - give this dog back his joy in life that's been stolen by someone's ill treatment.
I'm sure there will be more members who will give you good advice. Keep us posted on how he does.

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OMG! Poor baby! He sounds severly abused. You should report the breeder, if that's what they're doing to dogs!!
You can most definatly rehab him. I have two pups who were abused, although they were only 7 weeks old, and they've turned out perfect.
He will need time; a LOT of time. Start by getting something really yummy, like hot dog, steak, cheese, some thing special, and cut it into little pieces. Sit next to him on the floor, wherever he is most comfortable, and talk to him quietly, and offer him the treat. Start out VERY slow, and gradually, work your way upto petting him gently (not on top of the head, or you may intimidate him).
You might want to get him a crate to sleep in, because it will feel secure to him. Try to keep your house very quiet. You need to gain his trust; show him that you won't hurt him, and he can trust you. I know a lot of the other members will have good tips for you! I don't honestly know what to suggest; my two abused dogs weren't that bad.
Good luck to the two of you!

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Geez! When I started this post, there were no other replies! Man I take a long time to post....LOL

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Hi, Milo, Renee, and Purr
Thanks for the advises. I will do whatever i need to do and time to make sure he is back to normal.
I have tried feeding him everything, he just won't eat!!!!
Should i introduce the female right now so he can feel there is a friend???
I hope there will be more advises coming from other members.
Anyone knows where should i report this to?
Thanks
Jack

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I'd say the SPCA would be a good place to report those breeders to. We have tons of members here, who are very experienced in dog behavior, so don't worry; there's more help coming!

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I like Renee's advice of sitting quietly next to him. It is going to take a LONG time to gain his trust. Don't make any sudden moves. Don't ask him to do anything. Give him lots of treats. Send him loving thoughts. Get down to his level as often as possible by laying on the floor, sitting next to him.... That way you are not intimidating him.
I don't like the idea of getting him a crate. He will feel caged and you want him to feel free and open.
Never get mad at him when he messes in the house. You can train him later when he trusts you more.
I wouldn't introduce him to any new dogs or people right now. Let him get used to you first. When he trusts you he will have more confidence in who you introduce. If he meets too many new faces he will be intimidated.
This sounds like it's going to be a long road for you. I really feel for you. Please stay and be a regular part of this forum so we can find out how it's going and help you as much as we can.
Lots of luck.

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What kind of female dog do you have, another Golden?
Why don't you bring her to the door of the room your new one is in, keeping her on a leash and see how he reacts. He might find another dog comforting. If he gives you any indication of being frightened or overwhelmed, step back from the door. It might even help if he sees you feeding, petting and interacting with your female dog. Might give him the idea that this is a good place for a dog to live!

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My main thought on this is to talk to your new dog, and often, in a gentle friendly voice. Get down to his level as much as possible, but even if you cant do that because youre in the middle of cooking or something, chat away in a soft voice. Dont frighten him with too much attention, but do soothe him with your voice. Tell him about your day, whatever! It will become comforting to him, I'm sure. He might not understand what you're saying, but he'll pick up that you mean well!

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That is sad. Take saje's advice and be kind and gentle and patient.

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Thanks a lot everyone. I sure will give him the care he needs. I just found a place where they will teach how to train trouble dogs, previously abused, nervous dog. I gotta go check it out.
Will keep you all update on his condition...Please support him....Thanks

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Oh that's so great. I'm REALLY thrilled that he ended up with a person like you who is willing to be dedicated to him. Not everyone would do that.
And I'm glad you have found some support. I hope it all works out.

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OMG! This just breaks my heart. You got a 1-1/2 year old golden from a "breeder"? There is abuse written all over this, the poor baby! I'm so happy you sound like a compassionate soul willing to take the time and work with this poor tortured baby. Lot's of quiet time and bonding to gain the trust. Please keep us posted! :(

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Such a sad story. I hope it works out for you two.

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What a good person you are. You're boy is lucky he found someone willing to help him out and give him the life he deserves. Have patience and know we are all here for you if you have any questions or just need to vent.

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OMG! That poor baby...what a way to spend his puppyhood! That just angers me no end. That breeder definitely needs to be reported. If you don't know where to report it, start with the police and they'll lead you to the proper authorities. That has to stop!
I like Renee and Sage's advice....quiet, gentle, calm, loving, patient, unthreatening, unoverwhelming attention from you will eventually bring him around.
I'm not sure about another dog just yet, but maybe after a while, a slow introduction would help. I guess I'd wait a bit before adding more stimulation to his enviornment, even though another dog may help in some ways. Just let him get accustomed to his immediate surroundings and you for starters. Let that sink in and get him somewhat comfortable before exposing him to extra things to think about.
Do stay in touch on this board and keep us updated on his progress. That's wonderful that you found a place to support you with this kind of problem. I do hope he'll come around....I'm quite sure he will.

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Hi Everyone
Just an update on Bobby (just given him a new name). Well, he walked a bit in the backyard but as soon as he see me stand in the window, he straight back to the corner. Last night, heavy rain and he still stay in the same place and that place was a bit flooded and he was sleeping in the little pond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What to do? I have a custom built doggy house....approx 12x6x6 feet with 3 IGLOOs inside and he didn't want to go in there. HE SLEEPS IN THE POND WHERE HALF HIS BODY IN THE WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOSH, I NEVER SEE A DOG LIKE THAT IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I REALLY REALLY DON"T KNOW WHAT TO DO TO IMPROVE HIS CURRENT SITUATION, AT LEAST GET HIM INTO THE HOUSE! SHOULD USE A BIT OF FORCE JUST TO GET HIM IN THE HOUSE AND NOT CONTINUING SLEEP IN THE RAIN????? HELPPPPPPPPP

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Oh yes. Carry him inside. He should be close to you as much as possible....definitely not alone outside. This poor dog...if he doesn't get happy and comfortable in a reasonable (what ever that is....6 months? a year?) time, I'd almost rather euthanize him to save him further misery and emotional torment. I know that sounds awful and hopeless and I do have hope that he'll get better with your loving, caring ways, but if he doesn't later on, if it were me, I'd be sadly looking at that option. But that's just the way I look at it.
Yes, bring him in out of the rain and aloneness.

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maybe you have a small room in the house that you can give him so that he can get use to all the house sounds without being emmersed in it. When a dog is continually wet he can get very sick. Will he lead at all on a leash? THen i think if he will that is what u should do. It won't take many times of being pulled in and out before he begins to get the idea..and the warmth of the house should be a good reward..will he follow u for a piece of good food? using a tender voice..even singing has helped me gain the confidence of dogs that are terrified..i have sat on top of a food bucket singing lullabyes..sounds stupid but it worked to dogs that at first were all teeth and growls biting at the wires..and then they hushed and tilted their head..then they figured it all out..worked it's magic every time. Move slowly...no sudden grabs because that can get u bit. If the dog had a place in the house to retreat..and then slowly get use to the sights and smells of inside he would probably make more progress in gaining trust then he would outside. I think the first time u try to get him inside u should have someone with you. A dog can be very strong when he decides to plant all four feet at the door.

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I agree he should have a safe place where no one can bug him - in the house.
Also, if you buy some raw meat he will probably respond really well just make sure it's been frozen first. He'll probably appreciate the hand that feeds him even more. You know who would be a good person to help - Love4Pits. She's just taken in a stray who was afraid of her and they've quickly become friends.

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I have suspisions that my dobie was abused before we got him. Crouching at any yelling, running away from too much noise, ect. It's been 2 years since we adopted him and he still shows signs that he was previously abused. It took a year and a half before he would even play with us.
We spent a lot of time on the floor with him and I mean a lot. There was a good 3 months that I watched TV on the floor just so I could be next to him. Gave him his own bed where he could get away from people. I've got 3 kids so there was no way that we could get him away from the yelling, but if he was in the room and the yelling started, we made sure to pet him and tell him that he was a good boy so that he knew the yelling wasn't at him.
Spend as much time as possible with him, even if it's in the same room. Just so he knows that you are there and you won't hurt him. Let everyone that comes into the house know that you have your suspisions about the dog's beginnings and how they should behave around the dog.
As far as the eating goes, just leave the food out for him. He'll eat when he's hungry and at this point I really don't think it matters if you are in the room with him or not.
Next question, (sorry, I didn't catch if you were a guy or girl) is he calmer with one sex more than the other? My dobie was more afraid of men than women, so I took the lead role in his rehab because he was more comfortable with me. See how he is with your opposite sex, you might get a beginning of a break through.

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I don't know how I missed this.! I'm so sorry for you both. Was he walking when you picked him up ?? Where did the "breeder" keep him ?? Were there other goldens you saw ?? If this was a female , I would suspect she was caged and used only for breeding. Have you talked to the breeder since for any input ?? This may be an issue for the Humane Soc. Please keep up posted. This is a very "un-golden" attitude. As posted before, keep him near you and soft loving words and pats.

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Hi All
I have tried everything, sing song, talk to him, give hot dog, ham, treats, freshly cooked meat, sleep beside him on the mud, carry him in the house, try to walk him, last night i was under the rain with him (not all hight but good 1 hour), and ...
When i tried to carry him, he will shake me off. When i have the leash on him, he just lying there and not move. I did try to pull him a bit and still not walking, he will just let you pull and like a dead body with no reaction.
He will not do anything when anyone was there. I tried to introduce my female. My female got excited but he got no reaction! He wasn't afraid of my female but just no reaction. I will try to leave my female with him after i have him cleean up this saturday because i found few fleas on him.
Anyway, i already report the case to AKC and Animal Cruelty Agent.
I cannot afford to pay those people who claims themselves as professional dog rehab specialist. They charge few month of my salary!!!! I guess i will have to work on my own and try to search for more Free information from internet!
If you guys have any information about rehab, kindly advise.
Thanks
Jack

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He sounds like he has just given up...i am so sorry and it sounds like u have tried so hard..i will hold you in my prayers and hope that time will help..have u taken him to the vet? Maybe they have something that would temporarily lift his spirits..prozac for dogs is a real treatment i believe...but am not sure. We had one dog at the kennels that was like that after his owner dumped him on us and never showed back up (u would not believe how often the cowards take that way out) anyway he did eventually rejoin the doggy world, but it took him a long time..can u touch him? one thing i have done with very sick dogs..to try to comfort them as their mother would..i would take a warm bowl of water and a washcloth and would gently wash their face..stroking the same way a mother's tongue would stroke a puppy.especially the ears inside and out and between the eyes, avoiding the whiskers because most dogs do not like them touched...it seems to trigger a deep contentment in them.i wanted to give them the will to live.especially puppies with parvo that are so dreadfully ill..there is a massage technique called t-touch..i will go find the site and come back and post..the woman that developed it has helped animals all over the world that have not responded to anything else. I am trying to practice this on my Mary dog each night to alleviate her arthritis..if you can touch him..this might be worth a try...http://tteam-ttouch.com/
when i first brought Victor home he was so skinny and yet he would not eat...i have noticed a few other people have posted that their newly rescued dogs too turned away from any food no matter how good it was. I tried everything and ended up for the first week putting nutrical on the roof of his mouth to help him gain weight... now he is still not a big food fan, but he does eat twice a day his dry kibble. I wish there was something i could do to help..if i think of anything else i will come back and post.

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Jack -
This just breaks my heart. Have you gotten him in the house yet? Any good news yet from this heartbreaking situation? Where' the baby now and what's he acting like?

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Omigosh... it just dawned on me that he could be very sick and ready to die. I don't mean to be dramatic here, but what he's doing is also how a dying dog acts most of the time. They just want left alone... have you been able to get him to a vet?

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Amy he said in his first post that he took him to the vet first thing. I agree with you and Smkie it does sound like he's given up. :(

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when we first got sophie, we brought her home, sat her in the backyard, and we had to move her incase she got sunburnt
then she sat there untill we carried her inside, she wasnt so scared but definetley not as a puppy should be. now she is the most stubborn dog in the house, i think there is hope for your golden.
after all, i think sophie was bred as a hunting dog, but definetly not that nature. Her thumbs had been cut off when we got her,

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Hang on in there Sautan.....you sound like you've got a lot of love to give that dog. That kind of dead body act is something Misha did all the time when we first got her, although no where near to the extent you are experiencing...it was like she just wanted to shut the world out.... She has only been with us for 4 months but it is happening less and less, unless a loud male comes into the room or we pick something up quickly....then she goes all stiff. One thing which seems to have really helped is the Bach Flower 'Rescue Remedy', I don't know if it is available near you? She was having a bad phase because we had builders in and was withdrawing again, but I think it has helped a lot. I gave it her for two weeks and I could see the difference in her. You can just spray into the mouth so don't have to worry about getting it into food or water. If you can get hold of some, may be worth a try. Keeping fingers and toes crossed for you both.

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My heart goes out to you Sautan. I pray he will be okay. I agree that maybe there is more going on here. Please keep us updated.

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Please, give him time. He's not going to forget what has happened so quickly. What he needs to know right now is that no matter what happens, so will behave the same way toward him. Once he realizes that you won't change into a monster on him, he should start to relax.

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What he needs to know right now is that no matter what happens, so will behave the same way toward him. Once he realizes that you won't change into a monster on him, he should start to relax.
I think so too Valkie. (((hugs to that poor dog and to this wonderful person who cares so much)))

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I am not sure this is the right place to post my question but i will do it anyway.
Last Sunday (April 24th), i got a golden retriever (1.5 yrs old) from a breeder. He is very weird and i never see a dog like him in my entire life. He makes me wonder what he had suffered before...something must have happened to him!!!
I brought him home around 1pm and took to the vet immediately for check up and shots. He won't move and i have carry him, since the vet only next to my house. On the way home, i try to put him down and walk, he will not walk.
He got home, he quickly ran to the corner and stayed there since until today. He hasn't move a bit. He pee while lying down!!!!!!!!!!! all over his body!!!!!!!!!!! He will not eat if i was there watching! When i walked close to him, he seems very very very scare and trying to hide and very nervous!!!!!!! He gives me a sign that he was abused!!!!!!!
Can anyone advise what should i do with him? Is he still able to be recover to be a normal happy golden retriever? One thing i am sure is; i will not return him to the breeder. I am thinking if i should report this to the proper authority for investigation for animal abuse?
Any information of how to make this poor golden back to a normal happy golden would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Jack
First off i want to say its great that your working with this dog and trying with him. We need more people like you in the world :) .
Anyways my 4 year old Pitbull Zeus is a rescue and had gone through three abusive homes before he came to me through the shelter. It took me around 2 years to completely gain his trust and let him come out of that shell that held the loving goofball we all know and love. I spent alot of time just sitting with him I did'nt touch him or stare at him I just would sit and usually just talk to him or sing. He unlike your dog was in the house from the begining he knew i fed him. He would not eat if I was in the room though he would just look up at me ears back and whine. But once I left the room he would eat. I don't have exact instructions other then to be consistant, slow, kind, and patient. Let him come to you. In time he will learn he is safe and will come to form a great bond with you.
Right now I am working with a formal feral stray dog named Maxis using the same methods I did with Zeus. I can finally put my hands on him but only when he comes to me and last week he gave me my first kiss (from Maxis that is :)). In time he will be a well adjusted pet of my friend Jamie but it will take a long time.
Good Luck My heart goes out to you :)

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Do you guys think D.A.P. might be worth a try? I've never used it, so I don't know if it really works? The Bach Flower Rescue Rememdy works really, really well. If you can get any (you should be able to), definatly try it.
)))HUGS to the puppy, and to you(((

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Do you have an update, Sautan?
Doberluv, doesn't this sound to you like "learned helplessness"? (PS - I LOVE having another trainer here!!! I want to be sure we diagnose properly before we treat!)

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What would be the best way to get this dog in out of the weather, Emma? I wondered about trying to get a chest halter on him to make it easier to move him. I also wondered if using a halter might bypass some memory of abuse involving being held by a collar or pulled along by the neck on a leash and make being led less traumatic.

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A chest halter would work well, I think, but I wonder if it's necessary. The best thing I can think of is to call a friend and make a human stretcher. Stand on either side of him, then hold each others' arms around the dog's chest and under his belly, lift, and move. But I would do whatever I had to to get him inside. You can put him on an old blanket on top of so wee pads if you want.

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Hi All
Update on Bobby.
I am not sure what i was doing but i just do it.
Yesterday, i took him out of that corner and block the corner from preventing him going back in.
Next, i tied him up next to the hose. I used the fleas and ticks treament shampoo and get him all clean up. His hair was terribly damage, all stick together like glue was in there. I don't think he ever got cleaned or groom before. Aanyway, at first, he was just a bit scare but a while he just sit there and let me clean. (question, should i just cut away the bad hair?)
After the bath, i tied him in the middle of the backyard and let him sit and dry. In the evening, i start to comb his hair...OMG...FULL BIG BAG!!!! TOOK me good 75mins just to comb his hair and still not complete, on the thigh and back, need extra work and grooming. I will do it this weekend. He smells and looks much better now!!!! Good Work to Myself :)
Next, i brought in my female (Bonnie) and just let her run around. I still sit beside Bobby and talked to him. I prepare the food for them and then i unleash Bobby. He still stay there, not running anywhere but keep on observing my moves. After that, i went into the house and observe from inside.
It tooks about 5 minutes, Bobby started to move and go for the meal with Bonnie. After the meal, Bobby was kind of exploring the backyard for a while. Probably marking his territorry by peeing (but action like the female, instead of back leg up). Bonnie kept on playing with him, but he got no reaction. Approx 20 mins went by, i finally see him wiggle his tail and walk side by side with Bonnie and both play a bit. However, he is still not that active compare to Bonnie. Anyway, good start.
But i find that he has no problem with ANIMAL but to human. At one point, i stand in front of the door and he noticed me and in the ready position to run. Once i open the door, he run and look for place to hide, but finally he went into the dog house!!
Alright, that's all for today...i think it's good start. As long as he is happy with Bonnie...but hope he will get well with me.
I also consulted a professional and he told me he is not neccessary physically abused. I went home and gave him few test and he seems ok. Tests like trying to hit him, trying to kick him, he wasn't trying to turn away when i was pretending hitting him. He said, Bobby might just never interact with other human being beside the breeder. But one thing we both agreed is he probably underfed. He is 19 months and is way smaller than Bonnie 15 months, yet he is male, normally bigger than the female.
Anyway, will post more updates.
THANKS

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YAY! Sautan, I'm sooo happy for you and Bobby!!! Sounds like he's coming along nicely....Good work!

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It sounds like you're doing great, Sautan. I wouldn't have thought Bobby was abused either, from the way you describe his behavior. People tend to be quick to jump at that assumption, but usually there's a more viable explanation.
Bonnie sounds like an absolutely WONDERFUL dog. I wish I had a dozen just like her. If she can get Bobby to come out of his shell around her, then Bobby can see how you are also Bonnie's friend. If he trusts Bonnie and Bonnie trusts you, that will bring him a step closer to you. I think you did a wonderful thing by bathing him, too. Grooming is an important bonding opportunity, and it says a lot to Bobby's thinking process that he allowed you to bathe him without putting up a fuss. (And besides, who doesn't feel better after a good bath?)
You can certainly cut that bad hair out. If it's matted and gross, there's no reason to leave it.
I think Bobby's on the road to recovery. Once you get him fattened up and enjoying his new home, he'll be more open to being your friend. Please keep us updated. Love to Bonnie and Bobby!

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Good job! Oh I'm so happy. That is good news. You are a wonderful person. And bonnie sounds like a great dog. A real helper. I'm so happy Bobby found you. :D

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Things sound like they're looking up. You're doing wonderfully with him. Even if he may not have been kicked or hit, IMO he was abused in that he was neglected....normal, social development was prevented by not being exposed to more variety....if that was the case. It made him so very uncomfortable and/or unable to live a normal, domestic dog's life...not given the tools to blend in with human society. It's like this show I watched once on TV about ferrell (sp?) children. Human children were discovered who had had extremely limited or no human interaction. They were all screwed up. That is abuse in my book. And so is it to do that to a dog...that is, if he is going to be expected to live with human beings. So, you have your work cut out for you. But it sounds like he will come around and learn to trust you and realize that humans are pretty neat. Kudos to you for taking such good care of him.
I would agree that if the dog was rewarded, albeit inadvertantly for fearful type, antisocial behavior, he definitely could have learned that that is what brings him attention, love, cooing, fussing etc. So, when he is doing all those things, it would be better to downplay or not make a big deal out of it or give him attention. When he comes out of his shell and gives you a little focus, that is when I'd make a fuss over him and even give him a treat. If he gets to following you a little, again.....reward. When he cowers in the corner, just go about your business until he comes out and shows a little interest in what you're doing....that sort of thing.

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It's like this show I watched once on TV about ferrell (sp?) children.
Feral? Was it a real life story? That's horrid.... :eek:

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I agree Doberluv, neglect IS abuse. Some dogs react strangely to physical abuse too. Lady, that German Shepherd female my Nanny took in, had been physically abused. My Uncle had seen her being beaten, but she wouldn't flinch, just stand there and take it. Kind of like some women and children who are beaten and seem to just take it stoically, thinking they deserve their punishment. She may have figured out, too, that being fearful only fueled the cruelty more.
It sounds like Bonnie is just what Bobby needed :)

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I am so happy that this happened, Sautan. It sounds like you have been doing wonderfully with him, and that? Bonnie is a great dog that will continue to gain his love. This thread broke my heart, but now things seem to be looking up a bit. I know it will be a long and slow process but at least you can see the light at the end of the tunnel now. I wish you the best of luck and please keep us posted.
LOL! I am going to be in L.A. this weekend with my husband to see a friend, and before I got to the end of your thread, I was so tempted to tell you I would ditch my vacation and see if I could come and help you out, that is how bad it broke my heart. But I am glad to see he is improving and I know eventually he will see he can trust you and open his heart to you. I do wish you the very best and please give my love to Bobby and Bonnie.

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My Uncle had seen her being beaten, but she wouldn't flinch, just stand there and take it. Kind of like some women and children who are beaten and seem to just take it stoically, thinking they deserve their punishment.
That just kills you, doesn't it...to know that there are animals and humans being abused all the time. It's heartbreaking.
I think too, that when this is happening to them, they disassociate....focus entirely on something else so that they are outside of what is happening to them....as though it's not happening. It protects their minds in some way. This is what causes multiple personality disorder.
Yes, Purr...these were real life cases. Children were found in various parts of the world, including the U.S. One little girl, about 13 was found in a closet. She had been given food and water and a potty chair and NOTHING ELSE. She crawled around, couldn't speak and was afraid of people. Another had been nurtured by dogs only. She made sounds like a dog and walked on all fours. There were several cases, dating way back in time. None of the children had developed the ability to speak. Although, they were able to be brought around to trusting people and learning....reading, they could not speak a language. It was later discovered that if the human brain does not learn language at an early age...like 2 yrs. old, the part of the brain responsible for learning to speak language simply does not develop or make pathways and can not develop later.
Anyhow, it was all very disturbing to see this show. It was on one of those discovery type channels.

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HI ALL, IS ME SAU...
He hasn't change anything. He will only come out at night time. I talked to the previous owner (breeder). He wasn't physically abused, he just never contact with other people beside the dogs. Basically, like a wild dog. The breeder has a very very big yard...i would say over 100K sqft. The breeder just let him free in the yard, never play, train, or done anything with him. He has lot of dogs, approx 10 adults dogs (different breed), all run around in the yard.
The breeder asked me to bring him back. I took him back, for some reason, when we are approaching the breeder's house, he kind of knew he is back...he stood up in the back, wiggle his tail. I open the rear gate, booommm....he jumps right out and dash straight into the yard and play with 2 other dogs.
So, i guess maybe i jump into the conclusion of him being abused without really know too much about this dog. I see him happier with his old friends there.....
Who doesn't wanna be free of control??? 100K sqft of yard...is pretty free, i guess...
WISH ALL THE BEST FOR HIM....
sorry, disappointed that i gave up...but at least i found out he is happier in his old living style...

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I think you did the best thing for him. If he was never socialized to people, it is extremely doubtful that he'd EVER be comfortable living with them inside a house. It is like a wild animal and he will be happy playing with his doggie friends the way he's use to doing. You are a really good, unselfish person. First, to try to help a dog who appeared abused or neglected and secondly, to give him back his freedom without regard to what you would have liked....and that is to make him into a pet for yourself. You did a really good thing.

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You may want to rule out a medical problem. I know he has been to the vet, but I would take him again. Was he doing this at the vet's office? Do you have him on a slippery surface? Was the vet's office slippery? A lot of kennel dogs are placed in homes with slippery floors and this scares them to death as they have never been exposed to this type of flooring. You may want to physicaly carry him to a different surface to see if that has anything to do with it. Just a thought. Hope all goes well. :confused: