New hereQuestion:Hi all, I'm Alexis, a 37 yr old working wife and mother. and A small Chihuahua breeder in Michigan. My family, hubby Steve 60 yrs old, son Nate 22 yrs old, and daughters Kerstyn 15 yrs and Savanna 10 yrs. We live in the country on a small farm, we have 11 Chi's, 2 cats, 2 quaker parrots, and a fish tank. I do have a website if anyone would like to see the family and dogs just ask. Answer: Welcome to the forum! 11 chi's? Wow that's a lot of dogs! How do you manage that many?? Sometimes I find two to be too much! :D Answer: Hi! My name is Alexis too...and I'm from Michigan...LoL How crazy is that?! Welcome to Chaz! :D Answer: Not too much for us, the whole family is involved. Only 7 of them are intact the rest are resuces spay/neutered. Everyone has their own crate and they get crated at bedtime, when strangers come over, and if there's going to be NOone home but thats rare with this many people in the house. The only thing that does get out of hand is vet bills. We have had all our breedable dogs OFA'd and we always have an ultrasound or xray at 56 days, so we know how many to watch for. We only use Vanguard 5/cv on litters. Plus we send home all pups with puppy pacs, carriers, toys and treats. I was smart and had the dogs tested before breeding which allows me to offer a lifetime health guarantee. But the pups have to be microchiped before they go and that costs too. And even though we have pups from 2 lbs adult weight to 5 lbs and blues,chocolates and merles we only charge 400.00 we don't ask more for a rare color or smaller size. Sorry I love to talk CHi...lol Answer: Welcome! I'm Nicole from California (sorry, felt left out :p). Looking foward to getting to know you and your four legged blessings! Answer: Hi and welcome to Chaz! You sound like you have quite the housefull! Answer: Hi and welcome to Chaz! :) I hope you enjoy yourself here. Answer: Welcome to Chaz!! We need pics NOW!! LOL:) Answer: Am I reading right? You have 2lb adult dogs?:yikes: Answer: Wow !! How many litters do you have a year ?? Do you advertise ?? Answer: Welcome to the board - VERY glad to see that you do the required testing for your dogs as well! Are your little guys Reg'd and shown at all?? :) Definately need some pics! Answer: Yes Sam we do have one adult weight 2lb female and 1 adult weight 2 lb male they came to me from another breeder here. I don't try to breed for teacups so the two small dogs have been out bred with mine to bring size back into 3 to 5 lb range. You can't win in a ring with a 2 lb female and even sometimes males. They like to 3 to 5 lbers. I want to say here never breed a much smaller female to a larger male unless you have a vet supervise the breedings, monitor the whole pregnancy and schedual a c-section. Again the only reason we did the breedings was to bring back size to a line with great confirmation, There was 3 pups born and two were to correct size, the other pup that was going to be and is still only 13 ounces at 6 months old is with our vet, she bought her as a pet only and as it is our vet we knew the dog would be spayed and cared for properly. We do advertise sort of, I hand out biz cards, and we have a site that gets about 1,500 hits a month. We also network with about 40 other Chi breeders. I havent had to pay for a puppyfind.com or the like yet because our pups usually have deposits before they turn 4 wks old. We have between 2 to 6 litters a yr here, if we had a c-section we wait another yr brefore maybe breeding her again, and we don't breed until I have a list of about 20 people waiting for a pup, because when you whelp and go down our list 1/2 of those have found a pup and never bothered to call you back to tell you they don't want one now. It also depends on how many females we have ready that yr. sometimes we have 6 females but only 3 or 4 are breeding, the others may be in show rings. But we sire about 12 outside litters a yr, and may have pups coming to us from those breedings. Answer: Yes Summer we are registered almost entirely AKC we do have two a male and a female registered CKC/NKC and they throw merles and piebalds, they are also not the apple head type of chi in the ring now. They are the old 60's style chi, called a cobb. Longer pointy noses and ears pointed set right on top on the skull, they body is long and very low to the ground like a Doxie. They used to be in the rings and they whelp much much easier then the apples do. We breed them for pet sales only. Our show lines are out of Debdan, Tiny Mite, Roon and Misty Morn stock. We have a male going to nationals this November. Answer: Lots of little cuties! :) I demand pics! :p Answer: Wow ... with 7 intact , to have 6 litters a year ,you must breed almost every heat . Answer: Not at all, we've had 4 litters this year. The girls are bred once a year. I thought I said something about 2 to 6 litters a year and in my world of math....7 intact dogs and 2 to 6 litters a year eaquals only a litter each at the most...but thats just my math....lol Answer: It also depends on how many females we have ready that yr. sometimes we have 6 females but only 3 or 4 are breeding, the others may be in show rings...........I did talk about how many litters and since I've said we had 4 litters this year I'm sure math is still on my side....I'm sure you'll get better at math and you made a mistake and you were NOT trying to take a pot shot at my ethics of breedings, or maybe you just didn't read my post very well. Either way I forgive you. Answer: I'm not sure how to post a picture here, but if someone explains it I would be glad to. Answer: Register with a photo hosting site like Photobucket, snapfish or tinypic, load the pictures to the that site and the copy/paste the [IMG] tags. Easy as pie. :) Answer: Hi and welcome to Chaz :). Answer: Well I'm not sure about those picture sites. But I do have a blog with tons of pictures. http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-rGplmsMpY6DqlL2O6hR9L5rluQITEOg-?cq=1 I hope that's alright for now. Answer: Awwwwww such smallness... they are all very CUTE :D Answer: Aww just adorable!! Do you have any show pics? I LOVE seeing them! The dogs always look so fantastic in the pics! Answer: wow thats quite a houseful :D What other genetic testing do you have done on your dogs apart from OFA? btw would you think that breeding dogs that are out of standard is abit wrong, also what is your opinion on breeding dogs for pet quality when there is already hundreds of pet quality dogs in rescues, chihuahuas especially since they are extremely overbred. so you compete in agility or obediance with your chihuahuas? do you sell your pups with any conditions? wouldnt u say that 4 litters a year was a bit excessive, seeing that puppies require sooo much socialisation, etc for the first few weeks of there life? :D Answer: first no 4 isn't that much I know many more breeder having double that a yr. all pups are crated in the bedroom with us for the first 3 days of life then brought into the family room, people are around them 24/7...seeing as we have a 2 yr old who thinks he's a vamp and sleeps all day and is up all night...lol I don't have any show pics yet because I don't handle the dogs and we just sent out two for show. we'll have pics in a few months. I do have agility pics of one of our studs from our last august show, he's used to help show jr. handlers how a course works. I started out showing Malamutes and was a member of the AMCA for about 13 yrs. I met my 3rd hubby and got into his breed Chihuahuas. He's been doing this since the 60's. I tried another toy breed, Pugs, about 10 yrs ago and couldn't stand the shedding. The OFA tests I listed are what we've done so far. I have to take the dogs to U of M, for some detailed testing that our local vets can not do. God what did I miss.....dang it can't think now...let me look back and see what I forgot to answer. Answer: i notice on your site it says Stud fee for AKC breeding starts at $250.00 and may be increased, depending on the evaluation of your bitch. i dont really see how increasing the price will help the quality of the pups, wouldnt it be more responsible to only allow your dogs to be bred to highest quality mates available? i notice in your bitch dixies pedigree there is no champions, wouldnt this mean she wasnt show material, obviously champions arent required for her to be show quality but i would of thought she would have had atleast one. first no 4 isn't that much I know many more breeder having double that a yr i could no someone who breeds 60 dogs a year, if i breed 30 does that make it right? what qualities do you look for in a puppie that could justify it to be show prospect? Responsible breeders do not breed unless they are convinced that their knowledge, experience, and devotion to their favorite breed will result in a mating that will produce an exceptional litter, with qualities that are as near as possible to the ideal for that breed. They breed to preserve and to enhance the characteristics that make their breed unique. In short, they breed to improve. it says this on your page, yet you breed dogs that are out of standard? We offer a 10 day health guarantee with ALL our puppies and dogs i thought u said you had a lifetime guarantee on your dogs? Answer: Hi and welcome!!! Your chi's are SOOO cute!! Hope you stick around!!! There is some VERY good advice here!!! :D Answer: ok breeding dogs out of standard, well I don't have dogs too large, but I do have 2 cobb style dogs here that would not win in todays rings, but in the 60's and 70's cobbs were winning in rings, so they were in standard at one time. now those are mostly bred for pet homes...and yes we all know there are tons of rescues who need adoption but we all agree there are just some people who will not take old dogs and still make wonderful dog owners who only accept puppies into their homes. yes I do have conditions on pet dogs, they are spayed here or we give a vet certificate for a spay/neuter when the dog is of surgery safe weight. all the people who buy pups come to my home when the pup is just a few days old and spend time with us. this is after they have waited for at least a few months for the birth to begin with and i've talked to them several times on the phone. then after they leave a deposit we allow them to visit any day, just call and give us an hours notice to put dogs up and vacume. i have a wall covered with photos from owners who love us and their dog. we have return buyers for almost every litter. and i've not only sold dogs but given dogs to wonderful people i've met over the years. it's not a money thing, after vets and care there is maybe a few hunderd dollars left. and about then is when we get a call to pick up a rescue who needs vet care of at least 300.00 bucks...lol If there is money left to play with, i end up buying dog stuff cause i'm a large girl who does not wear makeup or fancy cloths...dog stuff is fun and cute and less self-distructive to an already fragile "fat-ass complex"...lol as long as the pets are healthy I don't see why people who don't want to breed or show shouldn't be able to buy a nice healthy pet dog. I guess thats about where i stand on it...ohhhhhhh wanted to say yes Chihuahuas are over bred, but not like some other breeds by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. think about it...whats 90 percent of a shelter holding right now....lab or shep mixes....i think a breed that throws 8 to 12 pups a litter compared to 4, is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more over bred don't you? Answer: now those are mostly bred for pet homes...and yes we all know there are tons of rescues who need adoption but we all agree there are just some people who will not take old dogs and still make wonderful dog owners who only accept puppies into their homes lol, there is thousands of puppies in shelters as long as the pets are healthy I don't see why people who don't want to breed or show shouldn't be able to buy a nice healthy pet dog. because there is already enough homeless dogs that breeding for pet quality just shouldnt be a option, there should be more of a reason for it, i think a breed that throws 8 to 12 pups a litter compared to 4, is farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more over bred don't you? ermm no, just because it gives less pups doesnt mean it isnt bred more, you realise you went against yourself there, surely a dog that has 4 puppies would be bred more because there is less of them and they are sooo popular. can you please look back on my post, there is loads of questions you are still yet to answer :D Answer: yes there is a lifetime health guarantee you can ask anyone who's bought from us...it was important for me to stress the viral health because so many people i've talked to said they had pups they bought with parvo. the ethical breeder is on my page your correct and i do feel i adhear to it very well...it seems your more in the mood to attack someone then you are to befriend them....maybe it's a personality flaw. i would venture to bet you don't breed. dixie is out of a very well known show kennel and no she does not have a champ in her pedigree because her parents and grandparents were sold to people who did not show...that does not diminish her or her offsprings show potential. As far as I knew you didn't have to have a single champ in your bloodline to show a dog... what do i look for in a show potential...a nice head, a good topline at the age of 6 months, very nice gait, a tail that is set correctly and a nice personality. one persons oppinion of a show dog might not be someone elses. i don't know 2 judges who always pick the dog the other picked or for the same exact reason. everyone has an eye for what they like. Now if I may ask...is there a special reason you have decided to attack me or are you nasty to everyone? Answer: ermm no, just because it gives less pups doesnt mean it isnt bred more, you realise you went against yourself there, surely a dog that has 4 puppies would be bred more because there is less of them and they are sooo popular. you can't breed them more you edited - name calling ...they only have so many heats...if you don't know about breeding maybe you should stick your non-breeding opinion up your keester. Answer: i'm not being nasty, i was just asking some questions Answer: no your being nasty...your not asking questions your being argumentative and forward to upset on purpose. I don't remember being mean to you in any way, that would justify your treatment of me. Answer: i'm sorry but i was not being mean, i really just cant stand irresonsible breeding, especially of chihuahuas which is a breed i do love. and responsible breeder would accept and be prepared to answer any and all questions put to them about there breed and there breedings, Answer: I'd like to ask you how long you've been breeding or when was the last time you spent several hundred dollars on a dog who was left in your yard once you took it to the vets you found out the cancer on its breasts couldn't be removed because of the failing heart so you kept the dog and spent the money because your a good person...the dogs clearly sick old and dying and im not making money off puppies from it, why should i take it in as if i cared?....because i do, and the dog lives here for 3 months and we have to put her down when she finally stops eatting and is clearly failling. or when was the last time you spent 3 days on a couch with a resuce dog who came in ill and had to be on IV treatments,hanging bags off you curtian rods, ignoring your husband and family to save some dog noone else wants. Your going to judge a breeder who has maybe a dozen pups a year, not asking how many she took in and saved and placed or kept in her own home...your such a nice perosn to ask me questions in the manner you do. Answer: I was answering any and all questions and continued to do so even after you became confrontive on me. It hurts people when they are told by people who have no-clue about them or what they do, that they are bad. And yes the way you ask questions is in a manner which is designed to make me appear to be a bad breeder. And you knew that. I'm not going to change your mind on what kind of person I am, people can judge this by whats already been written here. I'm sorry that you come off looking so closed-minded and impersonal. Answer: I'd like to ask you how long you've been breeding or when was the last time you spent several hundred dollars on a dog who was left in your yard once you took it to the vets you found out the cancer on its breasts couldn't be removed because of the failing heart so you kept the dog and spent the money because your a good person...the dogs clearly sick old and dying and im not making money off puppies from it, why should i take it in as if i cared?....because i do, and the dog lives here for 3 months and we have to put her down when she finally stops eatting and is clearly failling. or when was the last time you spent 3 days on a couch with a resuce dog who came in ill and had to be on IV treatments,hanging bags off you curtian rods, ignoring your husband and family to save some dog noone else wants. Your going to judge a breeder who has maybe a dozen pups a year, not asking how many she took in and saved and placed or kept in her own home...your such a nice perosn to ask me questions in the manner you do. NEVER, i've never fed a dying dog, i've never rehomed a pet but i've never bred irresponsibly or bought from a BYB, knowing that i can sleep easy at night, what i dont understand is how you know first hand about shelter dogs and there troubles, yet you breed ad dozen dogs a year, knowing that you are giving puppies to a home that could be given to a shelter puppy that needs it, rather then a puppy that hasnt even been born especially when the puppies are being bred for no good reason i admire you for your help in the chihuahua rescue but i would have thought u would have been against irresponsible breeding, especially since you are active in chihuahua rescue Answer: I have never had a single dog I have sold go to a resuce or shelter, I know shelters first hand because I'm called by them to pick up dogs. 80 percent of breeders also do resuce of the breed they work with. And a good breeder always takes back a dog they sold, no matter the reason for the return at any stage of the dogs life. That is one of the resons I do breed, so people have a person who backs each pup they sell to come to when and if something goes wrong. I never lie....thats the first sign of a good breeder...I've know top winning kennels whos owners are liars, they never tell the true breed traits and never take back a dog. I tell anyone who calls me the very first thing you need to know is there's a 90 percent chance this dog will never be fully housebroken- the number 1 reason this breed ends up in a shelter. So as I said keep judging me, your only being petty now and the real you is shining thru. Answer: Vian, Stevinski is not trying to be hurtful. This is a forum that is very protective of dogs and doesn't respond well to backyard breeders and puppy mills. He has been very respectful as he's gotten to know you. You sound quite young so many you aren't used to people asking you questions but this is pretty standard. We want to get to know what kind of breeding practices you have because we care about dogs. Many of us volunteer at shelters and see dozens of dogs suffering and being put to sleep because there are not enough homes. We really care about dogs so try not to take it to heart. It's pretty standard and as a breeder you should be used to it. Anyone worthy of adopting a pup will be asking a good breeder a lot of questions. Answer: what your still not getting is that those dogs in shelters will be there because of people who are NOT like me, my hope is that thru me I can help people to see and share what should be happening with this breed. Answer: Please don't take offense. I can understand that you feel attacked, but a lot of people want to ask breeders a lot of questions about what they do. I think Saje stated it beautifully. No one is trying to attack you, Stevie was just asking questions that breeders often get asked. He is not singling you out at all. I have not sensed any rudeness or spite coming from him. He is merely trying to get to know you and your practices. Answer: I have never had a single dog I have sold go to a resuce or shelter, I know shelters first hand because I'm called by them to pick up dogs. 80 percent of breeders also do resuce of the breed they work with. And a good breeder always takes back a dog they sold, no matter the reason for the return at any stage of the dogs life. That is one of the resons I do breed, so people have a person who backs each pup they sell to come to when and if something goes wrong. I never lie....thats the first sign of a good breeder...I've know top winning kennels whos owners are liars, they never tell the true breed traits and never take back a dog. I tell anyone who calls me the very first thing you need to know is there's a 90 percent chance this dog will never be fully housebroken- the number 1 reason this breed ends up in a shelter. So as I said keep judging me, your only being petty now and the real you is shining thru. okay well i really am not trying to be mean, and i think your getting too defenive, as a breeder i would have thought you would have been used to the amount of questions i am asking you, i would ask these questions of any breeder i look into getting a puppy from, when you say the real me is shining thru, well all i can say is that i hope they get that i love dogs and really care for the species, because thats the reason behind my posts please feel free to quote where i have been mean in my previous posts? i dont think u understand my talk about shelter dogs, just because your pups dont go to shelters, thats good, and its good you take them back, but they are pups that were bred for no reason apart from being pets, but why when there is soo many pet quality pups of ALL ages in shelters that could have those homes Answer: Well thank you for the young comment, I'm 37...but being protective is not being combative...there's a huge differance there. I'm not a mill...mills breed every heat, do not use medical care and sell to pet stores or brokers. ...theres a place about 30 miles from me, the man has 80 chihuahuas all housed in outdoor kennels(sheds with heaters), the dogs have never been in a house. when asked what he did for bitches who needed a c-sec or ones that couldn't breed anymore he actually said he shot them because he could replace them in a heartbeat.When reported to the shelter here the dogs fell under farm animal laws and as long as he did not torture them he could have 300 breeding, and shoot them any time he wants as long as it's a kill shot. Answer: Hi Vian-My name is Cathy and I operate a senior chi rescue...I currently have 21+ residents...I take in the old, the terminally and/or chronically ill and the behaviorally challenged...There are no kennels here, we are a home...The dogs that arrive here live out the rest of their lives as a part of our family...There is a waiting list to get in and I sadly have to turn some away...the shelters around here are loaded with chi's...I am glad that you do rescue work as well as breed responsibly...welcome! Answer: well thats bad, and hes one extreme but adding even one puppy to the world that is no better then the puppies in shelters i believe is wrong, you are knowwhere near as bad as him, but just because you are not a mill doesnt justify breeding dogs just for pet quality Answer: The main reason there are so many dogs in shelters is people buy them as a cute puppy and are not prepared to care for them as adults. It's sad that there are breeders out there who don't back their dogs and don't tell the truth about what your really getting into. My site also states before you buy a puppy really think about getting an older dog, and it links to the nations largest Chihuahua rescue. I answered every question posed to me and I did so nicely, the questions began to be asked in a accusing format not a questioning one...I'm really suprised that was not picked up on...but then again I don't see any other breeders responding. Answer: I'm sorry I don't know how to quote or post a pic on this...this is the first time I've used a forum like this. Answer: I agree that Stevinski's tone was very accusing, but I know that wasn't his intent. It's the internet, it's hard to get your exact "tone" across in posts. No need to be defensive. :) Answer: I'm sorry I don't know how to quote or post a pic on this...this is the first time I've used a forum like this. If you look at the bottom right hand corner of a post you'll see a blue button that says "quote" It will then take you to the reply section and then you can reply to a certain quote. If you want to quote different parts of the quote highlight the text and click the little button on the menu of a quotation bubble that is yellow. To post a pic go to an image hosting site such as image shack or photobucket. Upload your picture there and then post the code. Answer: Thank you Cathy. I am abit touchy right now , we just put down a rescue this monday, the one I mentioned with the cancer. I called one of our local papers about 3 weeks ago and they ran a story on her....Ingham County Community News, and this sunday they will run her followup. The reporter was not allowed to take photos of any other dogs or puppies here, just the old dying rescue girl. I didnt want to advertise as a breeder I wanted to stress the sadness I felt for that dog and what shelters and rescues go thru. Yes I breed...I'm proud to say I do and that I have lovely dogs, pet and show. But I'm prouder of the 14 yr old hairless because of thyroid little rescue girl laying next to me right now. It's nice to have someone respond kindly, I guess I don't have the personality for this kind of place...I never judge a person until they hurt me personally. Answer: i'm SORRY okay i no it sounding accusing but i really wasnt trying to be mean, i still dont agree with your breeding, and i never will, but theres nothing i can do to stop that, i will still respond kindly to your posts and help you in whatever way i can, here is an example of a great breeder that comes to this forum http://redyrerottweilers.bravehost.com/penny.html if she sees this thread i hope she will reply :D Answer: *shakes head* Vian, I hope you are able to see past a few accusatory posts and stick around. There is much to learn from these forums and there are plenty of people who offer insight without being judgemental. Answer: Steve I understand your view and I wouldn't try to tell you to change, but maybe wording your questions so they don't come off as though your trying to skin someone...lol I answered everything ok so maybe I didnt answer to justify what I do to you, but I didn't know I was going for that goal...I was answering as honest and as fast as I could. My hubby says I'm too nice, and maybe thats why you come off brazen to me. I'm friendly and respectful as a rule not because people need to earn it first. I hope you understand where I'm coming from and just be abit more gentle next time. Answer: I don't want to be rude, but I went to your webpage and none of your dogs are breed standard. You call yourself a responsible breeder, but a responsible breeder would not be breeding pet quality dogs. I don't want to ruffle any feathers, I'm just stating what I see. Answer: lol it'll be hard...I'm too easy to hurt and take advantage off...lol I'm still getting teased here because yrs ago I let a friend of mine drop off her kids for me to sit one day and she came back 6 month later...I never called the cops or child protective service...I just took care of them. I knew their mom was a good person who had just had her mom die and she was getting mixed up with her real father who got her into drugs for abit. I kept the kids and figured she'd come back and she did...and she's ok now. My husband says I'm dumb...I say I'm caring...maybe theres no differance...lol Answer: No Jessie it's not rude it's your opinion, I have several dogs to standard and beyond, Shaunie, Dixie, Delta and Mac are all very very nice dogs. I have 2 taken by top winning kennel owner/handlers of this breed. So, your welcome to say what you feel. Answer: Jessie all breeders have puppies they place as pets. Thats just the way it is. Even if you had the two very best dogs in the breed, your not going to have a total show litter...the ones who are not show are pets. Answer: Also, I am not one to believe that you have to show your dogs in order to breed... but I do think that the dogs should fit the breed standard as much as possible, and it would be nice to have them evaluated by a judge. I do prefer to buy from a breeder who does show, though. Also, are your dogs health tested? Do you do any agility with them? Do any of them have their Canine Good Citizen awards? Answer: Welcome to the board :) But do beware, if there is anything unethical about your breeding practice us Chazzers will be the first to point it out! LOL :D Most of the time, yes, accusatory, hurtful tones are taken, it's just something many of us feel strongly about. IMO, the best thing you can do, if you do breed for a living, is in one post, thoroughly explain why you breed, how you breed, what you breed, how much you make and how much you charge, what colour your hair is, any VD's you may have caught in life and the placements of any birthmarks ;) Answer: Jessie all breeders have puppies they place as pets. Thats just the way it is. Even if you had the two very best dogs in the breed, your not going to have a total show litter...the ones who are not show are pets. I know that. A very small amount of the puppies in a litter will be show quality, if any at all. But, a good breeder will be striving for those show quality pups who are perfect representatives of the breed. The pet quality puppies should be sold with limited registration. I do not believe that one should be breeding solely for pet quality puppies, for the main purpose of breeding is to better the breed. Answer: Welcome to the board :) But do beware, if there is anything unethical about your breeding practice us Chazzers will be the first to point it out! LOL :D Most of the time, yes, accusatory, hurtful tones are taken, it's just something many of us feel strongly about. IMO, the best thing you can do, if you do breed for a living, is in one post, thoroughly explain why you breed, how you breed, what you breed, how much you make and how much you charge, what colour your hair is, any VD's you may have caught in life and the placements of any birthmarks ;) ROFL Roxy. But it's true :p Answer: Roxy...that cracked me up...I've covered most of what you said already, but heres what I forgot...I sell for 400.00 each no matter the color or coat, My husband is retired and I work for Sams club so we're just rolling in dough....lol(not) and I have dark brown hair, and no Vd's but in the 80's there was a scare....lol Answer: Roxy...that cracked me up...I've covered most of what you said already, but heres what I forgot...I sell for 400.00 each no matter the color or coat, My husband is retired and I work for Sams club so we're just rolling in dough....lol(not) and I have dark brown hair, and no Vd's but in the 80's there was a scare....lol RPFL!!!! You sound like a really nice person and I hope you stay!!! :D Answer: ****, I forgot no birthmarks but i do have a tattoo....lol Answer: Thankyou...and I guess I should thank Steve too because if it wouldn't have been for him going at me like he did, this thread might not have been interesting enough to take a look at....lol Answer: Thankyou...and I guess I should thank Steve too because if it wouldn't have been for him going at me like he did, this thread might not have been interesting enough to take a look at....lol LOL. . .he really had good intentions, though. :) Answer: Thank you for the serious reply. What was the scare in the 80's? The clap? Gono? LMFAO :D :D :D Really though, we don't mean to sound so harsh. Steve is a young, but very informed, dog savvy Chazzer. Being on a board like this you wouldn't believe me if I told you the number of people who come here, don't do ANY health testing, sell for gobs of money to ANYONE and really could care less about the breed. Hence why so many Chazzers are touchy about the whole "breeding" topic. I hope you'll stick around :) Answer: :d :d Answer: LOL those were meant to be :D :D Answer: No I breed for both show and pet...if someone buys a puppy that is show quality and does not show I have no control over it, I ask everyone to spay/neuter and so far I've only had two people who told me they would not...but in this state you can not have a contract stating the dog MUST come back to you for any reason ...it just won't hold up in court...you have to say the dog should or could come back to you. We tried to pull a dog back in court once and lost, the court said once a dog is sold it becomes that persons property and no contract can force spay/neuter or return...even the shelters contracts can not be enforced, it is a guide line and not a steadfast rule, judges here can tell you tough. Answer: No I'm not making gobs of money, it says right on the site all dogs 400.00 and I've been into testing since I bought a Mal yrs ago from a breeder for show and once she got her title and I was ready to breed she failed her OFA on hips. I did it backwards yes, but I learned and changed. Answer: That Mal was spayed the very day her xrays failed to pass the OFA chart. Answer: No way! A contract is a contract isn't it? That seems really weird. You have to be really in tune with people to be a breeder, that's not including all the knowledge you have to know about your breed. That's weird about the s/n contract though. Red I believe posted a similar copy of hers awhile back... Not only did they have to be s/n but they were microchipped in her name. If the dog ever ended up in a shelter she'd be notified and I guess in the contract, it stated she could sue as well. I'll see if I can find it. Answer: I can see this is going to be adictive and my kids and husband are going to wonder why I'm laughing and crying at a stupid computer screen....lol Answer: No I swear it about the contract, in fact the court also told us the only way to prove in court a dog is your is not microchip or AKC papers or vet records or DNA it's a Michigan state dog license...I swear to god on this call Jackson County court and ask them. For a transscript of our case from 2 yrs ago...Vian is my last name. Answer: Vian... Welcome! This site is SOOO addicting! You're family will wonder what's happeing when all of a sudden all your free time is spent on here :D. It is an AWESOME site, though get ready to be roughened around the edges. You learn to get pretty tough ;D. It is SO worth it though! Look forward to seeing you around! ~Tucker Answer: Found it! Oh no! I'm not saying that your lying. But there must be some way to protect your pups yano. A contract is a contract. If someone signs it, saying that they will s/n YOUR pup, they should have to yano? I think it's been discussed on here, that some breeders will give refunds for stuff like titles or s/n. http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30695&highlight=s%2Fn+contract Answer: My contracts all say the same ...how can I post my health guarantee on here? Answer: ohhhhhhhhh I bet I can just copy paste it right here so hold on while I go get the contract CD...we had the computer serviced a few wks ago and I didn't load my contracts back on yet. Answer: Page 7 Congenital Health Guarantee This guarantee applies only to puppies/dogs bred by Vian Kennels (unless otherwise stated in writting at time or sale) and only to the original purchaser of puppy/dog. Seller does hereby guarantee this puppy/dog to be free of any and all verifiably inherited conditions that are detrimental to the puppy/dgs health as listed on page 6, congenital defects of this contract. If this puppy/dog dies or is severely crippled from a documented inherited condition, Vian Kennels guarantees for 12 months from date of sale the full purchase price of the puppy/dog, if it is returned to us. If buyer chooses to keep the puppy/dog and it has been diagnosed with any of the following we will refund the differance between the currant adoption/rescue fee and the full purchase price of the puppy/dog. Vian Kennels guarantees for the life of the puppy/dog, half the purchase price of the puppy/dog, if it is returned to us. or a discount of half the purchase price of a second puppy/dog, if effected dog is returned to us. No lifetime refunds are given if buyer chooses to keep effected animal. This refund is conditioned on licensed veternairy proof the puppy/dog has been spay/neutered and did not already breed. Seller is bound by guarantee if and only if the following conditions are met. 1. Seller MUST be notified at time of diagnosis of condition and/or time of puppy/dogs death. 2. Request MUST be accompanied by the puppy/dogs body if the puppy/dog is deceased, and absolute, varifiable diagnosis of the inherited condition in either case (death or not), including but not limited to; a statment from a licensed veterinarian and copies of relevent lab reports. (It is responsibility of purchaser to document and obtain documents of genetic disorders.) 3. If you are keeping the original puppy/dog after diagnosis, you MUST spay/neuter the animal, and a written statement from a licensed veterinarian indicating that this has been done MUST be provided to the sellers. (Original puppy/dog may be kept by the purchaser or returned to the seller at the option of the purchaser. Returned animals must be accompanied by any and all paperwork supplied at time of sale. And if done so within guarantee time frames, refunds will be issued as stated.) 4. Purchasers may not be in violation of the basic maintenance agreement signed at time of purchase of the puppy/dog and must provide veterinary records to verify that the animal has been appropriately cared for as outlined in the agreement. ** The sellers viral and congenital guarantee's do not apply if any injury, illness, disease or fatality incurred as a direct result of breeding, including but not limited to; c-sections, inertia, loss of dam in whelp, masitis, eclampsia, any sexually transmitted disease, ect. Breeding a dog is always a risk and should be carefully considered before entering into. If breeding is undergone, then the purchaser does so at his/her own risk and does not hold the sellers responsible for any expense, disease, injury or fatality incured as a result of breeding. If puppy/dog is bred without prior written notice to sellers, buyer understands all guarantees may be voided. **The sellers viral and congenital guarantee does not apply if any injury, illness, disease or fatality develops as a direct result of the puppy/dogs being overweight or malnourished or as a result of mishandling , including but not limited to; the puppy/dogs contact of any kind, with a child under 18 years of age, or a mentally challenged person or persons, or larger animals of any species, and any person or persons with any sort of criminal history, including misdemenors. Vian Kennels, Stephen and AlexisLeann Vian 12747 Onondaga road, Onondaga Michigan 49264 517-569-3377 Answer: Page 6 Congenital Defects Notification The following is a list of congenital defects that can occur in the Chihuahua breed. Vian Kennels guarantees for 12 months from date of sale the full purchase price of the puppy/dog, if it is returned to us. If buyer chooses to keep the puppy/dog and it has been diagnosed with any of the follwing we will refund the differance between the currant adoption/rescue fee and the full purchase price of the puppy/dog. Vian Kennels guarantees for the life of the puppy/dog, half the purchase price of the puppy/dog, if it is returned to us. or a discount of half the purchase price of a second puppy/dog, if effected dog is returned to us. No lifetime refunds are given if buyer chooses to keep effected animal. This refund is conditioned on licensed veternairy proof the puppy/dog has been spay/neutered and did not already breed. Collapsed trachea; a condition where the cartilage rings that make up the trachea are malformed and tend to collapse easily. Corneal dystrophy; an abnormality of the cornea usually characterized by shallow pits in the surface. Dislocation of the shoulder; a condition where the bones of the shoulder joint are out of proper position.If this is caused by injury, contract is void. this condition will require a second vet diagnosis by Vian Kennels licensed Veterinarian to be covered. Factor VIII deficiency or Hemophilia type A; the most common severe inherited clotting disorder of human and non-human species. Inherited as a sex-linked recessive trait (carried by females and manifested in males). Affects most dog breeds. Hepatic portosystemic shunt or arteriovenous fistula; a malformation of the blood vessels in the liver or an abnormal communication between the arteries and viens in the liver. Hydrocephalus; a condition where there is an abnormal accumulation of fluid in the ventricles of the brain. Hypoglycemia; (may not be covered by contract) a syndrome where the animal has abnormally low blood glucose. If the puppy/dog was not fed properly and/or was ill and/or was injured and/or was breeding and/or pregnant at time of diagnosis of this condition. Guarantee is void. Hypoplasia of dens; a condition where part of the second vetebra fails to develop fully and leads to instability of the spine. Hypothyroidism; (may not be covered by contract) a common endocrine disease where the body produces an abnormally low amount of thyroid hormones. An autoimmune destruction of the thyroid gland, which affects more then 50 dog breeds. If the puppy/dog was not fed properly and/or was ill and/or was injured and/or was breeding and/or pregnant at time of diagnosis of this condition. Guarantee is void. Keratoconjuctivitis sicca; a condition where one or both eyes do not produce a normal amount or type of tears. Lens Luxation; a condition where the lens of the eye is displaced into an abnormal position. Mitral valve defects; a group of abnormalities of the mitral valves of the heart. Neuronal ceroid lipofuscinosis; a congenital disease where fatty pigments are deposited in the brain and cause brain dysfunction. Osteochondritis (arthritis); (may not be covered by contract)a group of developmental diseases resulting in abnormal formulation of joint cartilage, resulting in the distruction of such cartilage. Commonly involves the shoulders, stiffle, hock or elbow. If puppy/dog was not fed properly and became overweight at any time in its life, had trauma to any area of the body or was excessivly bred (more then one breeding a year from age 2 years to age 6 years) and this is documented in the dogs lifetime veterinary records, quarantee is void. Patella luxation; (may not be covered by contract) a condition where the knee caps slide in and out of place. *See directly above under Osteochondritis for exact same condtions of contract. Pulmonic stenosis; a condition where one or both valves of the heart does not open properly. Buyer-_________________________________________________D ate-_________________________ Seller-_________________________________________________D ate-_________________________ Vian Kennels, Stephen and AlexisLeann Vian 12747 Onondaga road, Onondaga Michigan 49264 517-569-3377 Answer: if you need to see more tell me what your looking for...because the whole thing is 8 pages long. Answer: I somehow don't envision myself carrying my beloved dog's dead body to a breeder as proof. But hey, what do I know. Answer: We had to ad that part because we had a person say their dog died and it turned out it did not, the dog was alive and well and the vets note was on his letterhead but written by one of his techs, the puppy buyers cousin. Answer: Some people will do or say anything to rip others off. We also only take checks for deposits because you can not get payment on a puppy after they have taken the dog and written you a bad check. Answer: I've been doing this awhile and had all the tricks tried on us, some worked some didn't. My all time fav is the email telling you they want to send you a cashiers check for 3 times the dogs price and you cash it and give some wacko who shows up the differance in price and a puppy...lol Answer: Welcome to the forum Vian. After reading the posts here you can see why I come here to talk politics, A gun forum to talk dogs and a 4X4ing forum to talk guns. I do learn about dogs here, I just seldom mention them, besides there are some really hot babes here. Answer: I do learn about dogs here, I just seldom mention them, besides there are some really hot babes here. Buckhot and renee sitting in a tree ........ Answer: Buckhot and renee sitting in a tree ........ Sorry but.....ROFL!!!! Answer: Even Grammy spewed her whine at that picture !! LOL!!! Where's Kharma ?? Answer: Buckhot and renee sitting in a tree ........ *giggles* :D Answer: Even Grammy spewed her whine at that picture !! LOL!!! Where's Kharma ?? LOL! Kharma, get him!!! :D :p Answer: She better explain herself about this romance with BS! :D Answer: Oh yeah, I also wanted to point out that not all chihuahuas stay between 2-6lbs as adults, regardless of parent size. Even tiny parents can throw a 10lb pup. On your page, you say: " All puppies will range between 2 and 6 lbs adult weight, depending on parents." Answer: No all pups I sell will be between that size I never claimed they'd all be that size...I've had smaller as I've said and given them away to vets, techs and other breeders who would have them fixed, just have not had larger yet. Answer: Worst case of throw back I ever saw though was with w pair of very nice Bostons, 3 pups born in the litter all of which maxed out at adult at 36 to 40 lbs and 20 some inches at the wither. Great looking dogs just HUGEEEEEEEEEE. Anyway what you asked just reminded me of it and thought it was interesting. Answer: Buckhot and renee sitting in a tree ........ Too hard to balance in a tree :p Answer: If you want to quote different parts of the quote highlight the text and click the little button on the menu of a quotation bubble that is yellow. Where is that???????? Answer: The button that has a piece of paper and " marks with a + sign at the bottom of the button...it's on everyone post lower right hand corner. Answer: Thanks Zoom...that has been bothering me for SOO long lol |
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