Do you think this dog is skinny?Question:http://i9.tinypic.com/2nh2flj.jpg Answer: THAT is RRRREEEAAALLLYYYY SKINNY!!!!!!! :yikes: How do people do that!!!! :mad: :( Answer: Definately! You shouldn't be able to see a dog's hips and ribs like that. There are sadly many pit bull breeders who keep their dogs underweight. It makes their dogs' muscles look more defined and their heads look bigger. Poor things...it's certainly not healthy for them. Answer: yes :( Answer: I am just asking because I am argueing with a person on a pitbull forum and that person is saying that this dog is an ideal wieght! But I don't think he is! I guess they show him at the AADR! I guess he is a Champion! I don't know they show him in this body condition:confused: Poor dog Answer: How about this dog? http://i9.tinypic.com/44la68m.jpg Answer: looks sick and awful!! Answer: I think it is wrong Answer: I've seen many Vizslas that actually look identical to this dog. A working dog like the Vizsal SHOULD look like that when in top working condition. To the human eye, who is used to seeing fat pets, this looks horrible. But to me, it just looks like a dog in VERY good shape. Answer: I think they pump them up with lots of drugs Answer: He's way too skinny. You should be able to feel the ribs but not see them so defined like that. That's a shame. Answer: THe second one just looks awful. It couldn't have formed those muscles naturally. Answer: I don't like the look of dogs in ABDA shape . . . Bleh. I actually think a little bit of body fat is healthy. I couldn't let my dog get that skinny. Keeping a dog in that shape is for LOOKS, not function. There's just no point to that. Answer: I remember hearing that the ABDA is actually frowned upon by other registries for encouraging the showing of underweight dogs. I'm not sure how true that is though. Although that picture makes a convincing case! Answer: I know I just can't get it through there heads!!! Here is what I think a pitty should look like http://i9.tinypic.com/2wr1748.jpg Answer: its not ADBA that I am talking about its AADR Can anyone get any info on this for me? Answer: How about this dog? http://i9.tinypic.com/44la68m.jpg I don't know anything about pitbulls & how much they should weight, but using common sense, I think the dog on the first picture looks awfully thin. On the second pic, the heavy chain makes me nervous. i know not all pits are mean, and that the dog temperament are based largely on the owner/trainer.. but I'm not getting anywhere near the dog that are chained by the owner. It seems to imply that the dog is really really mean, and the chain would be needed to restrain it. Answer: i think the first dog is a bit too skinny. i think the second dog is fantastic. there is clearly a layer of padding over the dog's ribs and his muscles are fabulous. that's what a pit bull is supposed to be. they're athletic, strong working dogs. i agree with tessa- i think we're so conditioned to seeing overweight dogs that when we see truly lean dogs, they're shocking to us. Answer: These pit bulls are show champions. I think that this is what a pit bull at an ideal weight should look like! I think the dogs you posted look a bit grotesque in comparison. http://www.pitbullsoforegon.com/gunner.html And people put those awful heavy chains on pit bulls because they believe it makes their necks stronger and bulkier. Ick. Answer: I've always kept my dogs in good working weight. Most people think they're too thin. As someone else said, people are used to seeing heavy pets and many don't realize what an ideal weight actually is. Even if these dogs were being worked, I still think they are too thin. Need a bit more fat covering those bones. Answer: I have to agree with Gempress Answer: aadr (http://www.online-aadr.com/). i don't know anything about them. they look like just another small pit bull registry to me. i don't know why they're necessary. probably so people can register dogs who aren't papered with the ukc or the adba and feel special. Answer: Check out the dog at the top of this page. It looks lean and fit, but not overly skinny. This actually looks like a pretty good site about pit bull conformation. http://www.apbtconformation.com/index.htm Answer: The first one looks like the wild dogs I saw in Mexico who never got fed. SERIOUSLY! Poor lil things! The second one looks un naturally muscular. In good shape obviously but too much muscle in my opinion. I like a nice muscular build dont get me wrong but that dog is like the Arnold Swartzenager (SP?) of Pitbulls. Answer: These pit bulls are show champions. I think that this is what a pit bull at an ideal weight should look like! I think the dogs you posted look a bit grotesque in comparison. http://www.pitbullsoforegon.com/gunner.html And people put those awful heavy chains on pit bulls because they believe it makes their necks stronger and bulkier. Ick. those dogs are *UKC* show champions. this dog is my absolute ideal in a pit bull: UKC GRCH UWPCH ADBA GRCH Reloaded's Persephone of Matrix (http://matrixkennels.com/persephone.htm). Answer: That is a beautiful dog! But I noticed...she has two different "shapes". One is noticeably thinner than the other (although not unhealthy thin). Interesting. And I also agree with what Elegy said about the AADR registry. Answer: IMHO..... the first dog looks very underweight. Not at all like a tip top working dog. the second dog looks like a dog on steriods, much like a human body builder might look doing the drug. They both look "not natural" or "healthy"..... Just my Opinion of course. Answer: These pit bulls are show champions. I think that this is what a pit bull at an ideal weight should look like! I think the dogs you posted look a bit grotesque in comparison. http://www.pitbullsoforegon.com/gunner.html And people put those awful heavy chains on pit bulls because they believe it makes their necks stronger and bulkier. Ick. I couldn't agree more. The first pit was way too thin and the second I'd be willing to bet was juiced to the "you know whats". Just sick what people will do to these beautiful animals for their own gain.:mad: Answer: edit: (nevermind) I agree with Gemp... Answer: ummm interesting. The guy I am arueing with said that I know nothing about pits and this is what they are suppose to look like! Answer: i think the first dog is a bit too skinny. i think the second dog is fantastic. there is clearly a layer of padding over the dog's ribs and his muscles are fabulous. that's what a pit bull is supposed to be. they're athletic, strong working dogs. i agree with tessa- i think we're so conditioned to seeing overweight dogs that when we see truly lean dogs, they're shocking to us. I believe that muscle mass is unnatural (in the second pic)...... I have seen coon/bear dogs that are nothing but muscle...and none of them ever look like that.... You can really tell that is "boosted" in some way. :( Answer: I also found this picture: http://braveheartapbts.com/puppies.html These dogs do weight pull, and their muscles are nothing like that second picture. If that dog in the second picture you posted *is* natural, then I think it may have been toned like a human bodybuilder...trained to look strong; not to be strong. Answer: i *love* brody. he's another one of my favorite dogs. here's his page on the breeder's website. he also has that lean, hard look to him in some of the pictures. http://www.rokireds.com/brody.html Answer: i *love* brody. he's another one of my favorite dogs. here's his page on the breeder's website. he also has that lean, hard look to him in some of the pictures. http://www.rokireds.com/brody.html Brody is a pretty handsome creature.:) Answer: i *love* brody. he's another one of my favorite dogs. here's his page on the breeder's website. he also has that lean, hard look to him in some of the pictures. http://www.rokireds.com/brody.html This dog is stunning. He looks lean, fit and HEALTHY. I'd agree that this dog is in perfect condition. The ones posted by the OP on the otherhand look sick and completley unnatural :( Answer: I believe those dogs are at what is called "working weight". Ronin keeps himself at "working weight" naturally, and everyone (including me) thinks he's too skinny. Some dogs are naturally predisposed to having little fat and *a lot* of muscle mass. Here's Ronin at 73lbs... his "working weight". He was eating 7 cups of high-calorie food a day when this was taken. Notice how grotesquely underweight he looks in a show stack: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/lhartlep/mc2005BOB.jpg Here he is at 76lbs, in motion. Still "too skinny", but loaded up with muscle. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/kslhart/02Aug003.jpg And here he is at 78lbs, as close to "show weight" as I was ever able to get him. He was miserable at this weight, was pooping 4-6 tiems a day, and was a very unhappy pupper. I'll take "working weight Ronin" over "show weight Ronin" ANY day! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/kslhart/26May013.jpg Answer: How about this dog? http://i9.tinypic.com/44la68m.jpg :yikes: look at the chain! Answer: If its a show dog - the second dog look sbetter then the first, the first could stand to gain a few more pounds.. but every show dog should be on a "thinner" side and "fit" side. I can run my hands down Riots back and ribs and feel the last part of his spine and can slightly feel his ribs. He is in perfect show condition at the present time - right now we are working on gaining some muscle so I can up his feed a bit more to gain a slightly bit more weight. Answer: The first one is grotesquely thin and the second one's muscles are unnaturally large (mainly noticeable on the hind leg). I like the GRCH link and Brody. Even in his "thinner" pics, Brody isn't as thin as the first dog or as muscled up as the second. Answer: I can understand dogs being in working shape, that's a good thing. But what's with starving every bit of fat off of them? I am not used to fat pets. Both of my dogs are very lean. My Border Collie was running about 9-10 miles a day when he was working, and he still wasn't that thin. Something must be done to those dogs to make them build so much muscle? Persephone . . . *drool* She's beautiful. There is a noticeable difference between Persephone's shape and that of those two dogs posted in this thread. The first dog just looks thin, the second seriously looks like she's been juiced up. Answer: I think both those dogs look abnormal. The first is too skinny and the second looks like he is on steroids. I know nothing about showing pitbulls, but being lean does not mean being able to count every bone. That is just over doing it. and Sizzledog, your dog is beautiful! I am envious. I actually do not think he looks that thin the first picture. He looks well taken care of in both. Some dogs are just naturally thinner then others. My sheltie is chubby (but she has lost 10-15 pounds over the last few months 'cause she was just plain fat before!), my one boarder collie is at a nice weight were you can just hardly feel his ribs, then my other boarder collie is real thin. He is fed more then his brother but we cannot put weight on him. My vet told me for his body type his weight is good, but the other puppy is ten pounds heavier then him. Oh golly, I think I worry too much. Answer: I think the first dog is a bit thin, but not drastically thin. His muscle tone looks excellent, he looks strong and healthy to me. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of dogs owned by people on this forum are heavier than they should be and not nearly as toned in muscle as they should be. Such is the basically sedentary life of the normal pet dog. We're so used to seeing them like that, that we have this negative reaction to a thin muscled dog even though that thin dog is probably healthier than our fat lazy dogs. I used to help check in sled dog teams for the long races (from 200 miles long up to the Iditarod and Yukon Quest, both over 1000 miles). These dogs had NO excess weight on them - even with the typical sled dog fur, you could see ribs and muscles. But they were definitely some of the healthiest dogs I've ever seen, too. We rarely saw a sled dog with the typical pet dog ailments (kidney problems, liver disease, heart disease, cancer). I do my best to keep my dogs on the light side because it is healthier for them overall, but I will admit that Khana is a bit of a butterball at times. It's hard to gauge the weight on those darn chows, with all that fur! I do keep a definite waistline on my shepherds, and my lighter colored shepherd shows a good muscle line in her haunches. I was once told by a breeder/trainer (I believe it was Suzanne Clothier, but I could be wrong) that a good way to estimate proper weight in your dogs was to make a loose fist with one hand and then run your fingers of your other hand over three areas on your fist: 1) the back of the hand - this is what your dog's ribcage would feel like if your dog was overweight. 2) the upper part of your fingers, below your knuckles - feel how your fingers dip down into the crease between each finger - this is how your dog's ribcage would feel if it were too thin. 3) over the knuckles themselves - this is how your dog's ribcage should feel if your dog is at a healthy weight. You SHOULD be able to feel the ribs, but you should also be able to feel some meat between them. Melanie and the gang in Alaska Answer: Man! Those dogs in some of the links are just to die for. The ones posted by the OP are very sad looking. It is one thing for a dog to be a healthy wieght, it is quiet another for them to look like cling wrap stretched over dried meat! Answer: poor dogs! how can people be so cruel to such innocent animals. Answer: The first one is grotesquely thin and the second one's muscles are unnaturally large (mainly noticeable on the hind leg). I like the GRCH link and Brody. Even in his "thinner" pics, Brody isn't as thin as the first dog or as muscled up as the second. i think you're missing, though, that a lot of that "unnaturally large" musculation is normal pit bull build. my pet pit bulls who have never been pulled, who are not worked beyond normal play and some backyard agility, have bulging butt muscles. you're never going to get that on a lot of breeds. so if you take a dog who is naturally muscular and really start working them, you're going to end up with big muscles. Answer: I keep seeing the words... "ideal weight" "should be" Well - here's a question - what is and "ideal" weight - ideal for what?! Walking round the park? Giving cuddles?? 99% of people in the world own PET dogs - they have no "shoulds" and "ideals".. An obese dog/skinny dog is an unhealthy dog, but as long as your dog is happy and healthy there are no "shoulds". A few pounds over or under - so what? I am willing to bet most of US are a bit over or under. In fact - I'm willing to bet half of the parents on here let their children go a bit over or a bit under... We don't go on about "ideals" and "shoulds" with them?! Heaven forbid - we'd be struck down! I DO think the 1st dog looks awfully thin. I like seeing a dog in good shape but that is... wrong. And I ALSO think the 2nd dog is pumped full of something... YES most dogs out there are overweight, but... they aren't obese, just out of shape - and so what if they are? As long as they aren't unhealthy... I just hate seeing all this - THIS IS HOW YOUR DOG MUST BE crap. Answer: Personally I think the 1st dog is too thin. I think that 2nd dog looks good, like he's in prime physical shape, like a wrestler is during their competitive season. Plenty of muscle and little fat. Like elegy said, pits are naturally muscular. You start working a dog that has that kind of genetic potential, you are going to get a dog that looks like that. He could be pulling sleds for all we know- doing that kind of work along with a lot of protein, you are going to get bigger muscles. Yeah, I don't get the big chain thing either- in actuality, a chain has more potential to break than a nylon lead, but I guess most dogs aren't going to chew a chain as easily. Answer: http://i9.tinypic.com/2nh2flj.jpg Anorexic maybe....:confused: Answer: While I like to see more meat on them, I don't think either looks exceptionally *unhealthy* - no dull fur, no missing fur, etc, if they were seriously malnutritioned, they would be showing MORE signs of poor health. The second dog looks GREAT, imho. Morrie was taken to the home of a woman who holds several international champion titles on her mini aussies and she said you ought to be able to feel/see some rib, if the judge has to press too hard, then your dog is TOO fat. She said at that time, he should have lost 5 lbs or more. He did eventually end up losing about 8lbs when our two female danes came in heat and we started doing agility over the summer. He looks too long and lean for my liking now, rather than the chubby he was before, but that's what I like. I always kinda wince when I look at the "thin" breeds - I am thinking doberman, great dane, etc, in the show ring, because you can always see their ribs a little bit it seems like, and I am notorious for pushing the feed on my animals until I can't SEE ribs (ask my friend Becca who spent five weeks with me this summer from England and my constant "SHE'S TOO SKINNY!" on my 1250lb 15.3hh mare, lol). Answer: I'll admit I know nothing about pit bull physique, but my reaction to the first dog is that it's either being starved or it's neurotically overactive, and that the second dog is either a genetic freak or being given steroids. I agree that many family dogs are overweight, but I don't think that working dogs so 'hot' that they burn down to skin and bones are neccessarily healthier than a chubby housepet. On a related note, none of my dogs have ever been overweight, so I'm not looking at these photos with the shocked eye of someone whose dog is rolypoly. My girls have all been average weight or skinny. Answer: I agree that many family dogs are overweight, but I don't think that working dogs so 'hot' that they burn down to skin and bones are neccessarily healthier than a chubby housepet. That's like comparing a marathon runner to a couch potato. A marathon runner is burned down to skin and bones but is FAR healthier than someone who wheezes going up the stairs. Is the marathon runner look a good one? No, but it's a person who is at the peak of fitness. A lot of chubby housepets would be hard pressed to walk a mile let alone do activity that would be considered athletic. They have the same health issues that overweight people have- poor conditioning, joint problems, etc. Answer: Could I be any more jealous of Brody and Persephone? No. Probably not. Stunning dogs. Personally, I like my dogs on the thin side. I like my dogs athletic. The first dog looks a little ridiculous. Too much of a good thing, IMHO. Either way, I'd rather my dogs be a little too thin than a little too fat. Answer: Basically, I'd agree it's healthier to be a sensible weight and be reasonably fit than to be obese and out of shape. But I very much disagree that a marathon runner is, practically speaking, much healthier than a chunky accountant. The body punishes any extreme. Obesity and lack of muscle tone is punished in the heart and organs; abnormally low body fat and abnormally extreme amounts of exercise are punished in the bones and physical structure of the body. And yes, you need your heart to live, but having your skeleton's rather important too. There are inherent health disadvantages to being 'at the peak of fitness' as you define it. To stay at that level, you push every bit of your body to near the breaking point. There are three disadvantages to that I can see right off the bat. One fairly well-known problem is eating disorders especially common to female athletes, with attendant amenorrhoea (the body stops mentruating) and resulting bone loss and heightened risk of bone disorders in later age. Another is the inevitable breakdown/injury that comes along sooner or later with most elite athletes. Yes, that's the price you pay to overachieve, but it is a real health disadvantage. And people with high levels of fitness are (in my experience) more than a little highstrung; the personal committment and effort invested in chasing that athletic goal is very stressful. Again, it might be worth it and a commendale goal, but it's also a health disadvantage to be as stressed and nervy as some of the cyclists and runners I've known. To use an animal example, Thoroughbred racehorses are at the peak of fitness. They're probably the fittest, most elite athletes on the planet. Fortunes rise and fall on their speed, and they are pampered like gods. But look at what happens to them. The untalented colts wash out and go to slaughter or, if they're lucky, find second careers as pleasure horses, often with permanent leg problems from intense racing early in life. Others don't last that long. Horses die at the track all the time. The famous ones - Barbaro, Go For Wand, Ruffian, Prairie Bayou, etc. - break down on national TV and provoke another round of discussion about horses and racing and breeding. Warning: disturbing images on the links below http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/classical0/gfw.html http://bryantphotos.blogspot.com/2006/05/barbaro-breakdown.html Answer: I haven't read through all the posts but the dog in the first pic looks starved..his head could topple him over. HIs muscle tone is gone, all over health looks to be in sad affairs. The second dog still has good muscle tone, thin but not in the same state as the second. I have had many people think that Victor is to thin. At certain angles his ribs will show but he is quite healthy and of a normal weight according to the humane society vet that he sees regularly. I tend to look at the muscles when figuring out if the line has been crossed between thin (like VIc a dog that simply Wont eat) to being starved or gravely ill. Answer: Muggie - I know you were/are considering a Doberman, so be cautioned - Dobes are a breed that should have a visible rib or two. You might have to make an exception and not "push the feed" on your possible future dobe - a dobe with no visible/feelable rib is, IMO, fat and out of condition. It's just the breed's physiology - they have a deep chest with nice ribspring, paired with a nice tuckup... visible ribs (the last few, near the anterior end) are visible in an ideal Doberman. Also, be aware that there are many dobes out there that simply do not produce much fat - Ronin is such a specimen. Even when he was being spoonfed 7-8 cups a day, he was bone thin. He built muscle like you wouldn't believe, but he was undeniably skinny. This is my favorite stacked photo of him... at ideal show weight for his age and maturity. You can see his ribs - but he's a healthy dog. His coat is so shiny that every ripple shows up clearly. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/lhartlep/20mosedited.jpg Here is a rear view of him - ribs are visible, but he's not skinny - his muscle tone is excellent. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/lhartlep/11Feb158.jpg Another view... pretty muscle! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/lhartlep/11Feb144.jpg And not to leave Miss Ilsa out... she was my muscle girl back in the day! Still is, but she's gotten lazier and doesn't get run as much anymore. (School takes up a lot of out "muscle building time") http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/lhartlep/11Feb212.jpg Answer: Okay, some more SchwarzenIlsa photos... she was so buff! I'm hoping she'll get back into shape now that we have a dog park again. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/ForLeah/6Sept038.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/ForLeah/6Sept054.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/kslhart/15Jan049.jpg Answer: To me the first dog is a bit on the thin side but the second dog is in AWESOME condition!!!!! If you shaved the Huskies at the kennel and Ronan that is what they would look like. OC is on the heavier side because his genes make him so. Even if I were to starve him he wouldn;''t look like that. I really like that second dog! Answer: SD, I know they're supposed to. LOL I guess it's because I'm hefty, I figure my animals should be too! But to be fair on a paint, you're not meant to see ribs on a stock horse. ;) Your dogs are so beautiful, I am droooooooooling! Makes me miss Belle. Suppose they would be good for agility? I'm not interested in the politics of conformation showing (though Morrie's breeder did show him for us prior to getting him and he has his national puppy championship), but I sure do love a weekend at the agility field. ;) Answer: *drool* you have such gorgeous dogs, sizzle! Answer: Melanie, thank you for that "test" for the ribs. So many people always think that if you can feel ribs at all, (even if you have to paw through a few inches of fat :rolleyes: ) the dog is at a healthy weight. Dakota is very, very lean. With his rough coat, he actually looks overweight. People are shocked when they pet him and find that he's all fur. My vet and I think he's at a great weight, but everyone else thinks he's too skinny because they can feel BONES. :lol-sign: I only have two pictures of him that really show his condition. He's matured since this pic, and put on quite a bit of muscle, but he's still in more or less the same shape. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/laicositna/Dakota%20Stacking/wet.jpg This was taken over the summer. You can tell he's put on some muscle, but he's still really lean. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/laicositna/Dakotastacked.jpg I'm perfectly accustomed to lean dogs in "working shape". I still couldn't let my dog get a "wasp-waist" like that first Pit Bull has. That's just too thin. Elegy and other Pittie people - do Pit Bulls actually *naturally* develop as much muscle as that second dog has? That dog is ripped. What kind of exercise/workouts do dogs like that recieve? Answer: YES, dobes are great for agility! I've had many people comment on Ronin's body type, and how it's well nigh perfect for Agility. I've had people try to buy him from me for that purpose,as well as offer to train him (which they all backed out when they found out I lived so far away from *every* agility trainer out there!) Ilsa is too large to be a competitive agility dog. She's my RP granddaughter, she's large and in charge. She's the boss of my pair, but she's the more cantankerous one - she'll only do things correctly if there's a large incentive for HER. She's more reserved and haughty, and more independent. However, she knows most of the equipment and will run a simple course if there are reeeealllly stinky treats waiting for her at the end! (Crazy girl has taken a liking to the weaves and loves to jump). Ronin is the powerhouse. He's only 26.75" tall, very compact and muscular... ideal for Agility. Small, agile, and ridiculously fast (can we say 38 mph???) He's the one that's more willing to please, but he hasn't yet developed the *focus* needed of an Agility dog. He's only 2, so he's still a work in progress. Out of the two, he's the one that I'd be afraid of in a dark alley, despite his youth and his size. He's a very sharp dog (which has its advantages AND disadvantages) and cannot be handled by non-dog savvy people. Answer: Yeeeehaw! *ticks off another pro for another doberman* Though I strongly suspect that once my old girl is gone, we won't have anything much taller than 18" in our house anymore :P Answer: Well, if either one of them showed up at my house, the first thing I would do is feed them... Answer: Thank you everyone for posting! Keep up the posting. I want to here from everyone! Answer: The first dog on the thread does look too skinny, but I don't believe its underfed...to be honest, working APBTs are actually supposed to have quite a deep hour glass figure if you will...I don't personally like the whole rib deal, but if you look at the muscles, that dog is extremely fit...he's been working that dog out to say the least...Colby would probably appreciate the look of that dog, but confirmation standards wouldn't... I think that's the difference between SHOW pits and WORKING pits...although, I don't like the look of that dog...and I've seen working pits that look a little more beefed up than that without the excess ribbage...*shrug* as long as the dogs are healthy and eating properly, its just personal preference. http://www.apbtconformation.com/000niobeside.jpg That's a nice looking dog :) Answer: Here's my girl...she's not fat..she's fit...you can see (especially when she's active, running, walking, etc) and definately feel her ribs...she's also short and stalky and very deep chested as you can see in picture 2 and the last picture when compared to me, a 5'7'' person. (that pic was taken at her obedience class graduation..yay she graduated top of the class!) ALL COMMENTS WELCOME..lol I will NOT be offended! Oh, and the long hangy skin in the first picture, those are her teets..she was bred at an extremely young age and they never shrunk back to size so she's got this flappy skin..:( stupid BYBs..they mess up a perfectly beautiful dog for their greedy needs...*sigh* http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/pitbulliest/1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/pitbulliest/2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/pitbulliest/3.jpg Answer: And here's a really shi**y edit of what she would look like without the flappy teet skin: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/pitbulliest/c.jpg Answer: I really don't like the looks of either of those dogs. Just too skinny in my opinion. And no, I don't have fat pets. And no, I'm not fat either. Answer: Oh ya I wanted to mention about the chains, they dont do it to beef up neck muscles, they do it because that is the only thickness these dogs wont snap! Ronan''s chain is thick enough and these guys pack more power pound for pound than him! Answer: Yeah but alot of times they do add extra weight to the chains to beef them up.... I think its stupid personally lol the extra weight thing Answer: If they wanted to beef up thier necks they would just use weighted collars ;) I agree that the gigantic oversized chains is a little much but these ones really aren''t that bad. Answer: Honest question here- what is a "working" pit? Wasn't the breed originally for fighting or bull baiting or whatever they called it? What other jobs does a pit do? I'm not trying to lead anyone on here, I'm honestly curious. Answer: weight pulling is a major one that I hear about all of the time ;) Not sure about others Answer: With the level of ignorance displayed in this thread, it's no wonder that hundreds of pitbulls are being seized from their owners and destroyed so regularly. First off, the dog in the second pic was bred by myself, and comes from a solid genetic background. Her owners are close personal friends of mine, and they possess an incredible passion for their dogs and the breed in general. The pictured dog, Lil Bit, is in fact a house dog and spends very little time on a chain whatsoever. She most certainly isn't "pumped full" of steroids, nor anything else of that nature. Her exercise consists of leash-walking and playing in the house and yard. Her owners recently took "Best In Show" and "Best Opposite" for dogs they showed in the last ADBA event here in Atlanta, in addition to the countless other ribbons they won that weekend. Upon seeing a picture of Lil Bit, the judge was very forthcoming with praise for her. Once again, she is a HOUSE DOG who has never been involved with any conditioning program, nor given supplements or such, other than quality food. She looks that way completely naturally, having a strong genetic background. Here is a picture of her grand dam, the best canine athlete I've ever had the pleasure of owning http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8787/chsasha9061ay4.jpg The dog in the first picture is the world-famous Grand Champion Machobuck. He is pictured in PEAK PHYSICAL CONDITION. It took expert conditioners and thousands of dollars to get him in such top physical shape. An athletic canine is no different than a human boxer, or runner, or body-builder, or what have you. They have to be physically able to compete and excel in whatever sport they partake in, be it weightpull, dock-jumping, agility, shutzhund, hog-hunting, or any of the numerous competitions in which these dogs are so proficient. Tell Mike Tyson he's too skinny. The American Pit Bull Terrier was never meant to be a fat lazy couch potato. They are true sporting dogs. Answer: I don't think I should reply to everything that has been said... I'll just show more pictures of the second dog, I have more pictures of the first dog, but there's really no reason to post them... Lil bit: http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/DSCN7573.jpg http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/Lilbit-05-05-06.1jpg.jpg http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/1/8/lawnmower-001_394382.jpg http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/Lilbit-05-05-06.3jpg.jpg Don't bother with the continued posts about her being too skinny, juiced, on a chain, or anything else if you're expecting a reply, because you will get none. If you believe she is unhealthy, take every one of those pictures to your vet and see what they have to say... if they tell you that they agree with you, you need to find another vet, period. Answer: I think it's really offensive that someone would pilfer pictures from another site for the people on this thread to pick apart. If you all are so concerned with the poor dogs, maybe you should think about whether you'd post a pic of someone's child and then criticize their bodies as fat, thin, drugged or what have you. These are real dogs owned by real people who care! Not abstract examples of canine body types. I am sure that those of you who post and say "oh, poor babies" feel all holier-than-thou about yourselves, but you have NO IDEA what you are talking about when it comes to these particular individual dogs, or their owners, or their lives. I also know the people who own these dogs, and I find your comments incredibly insensitive and ignorant. But since you are talking about canine body types in general, I am an officer in the ADBA club, and I can tell you that these dogs look to be extremely healthy and fit, and are excellent examples of conformation of the APBT. It is true that UKC has different conformation standards, and show champions in the UKC look very different from ADBA. The AADR is also a well-respected APBT registry with standards similar to the ADBA. Maybe this isn't your preference for how a dog should look... so then don't have one. But it is ONLY a matter of preference and NOT a matter of health. Also, to the person who says 99% of dogs are pets, I'd say you were a middle-class city dweller with tunnel vision. The current pet craze, with doggy daycare and bakeries, is a modern invention and not shared by much of the rest of the world. MANY people out there are living with working animals. Not to mention the fact that the whole idea of a dog breed is that there is a standard which was based on a particular function. You may disagree with the notion of breeds altogether, but they are very much still based on the original purpose of the dog, and that's where the "should" comes from. Answer: Her owners recently took "Best In Show" and "Best Opposite" for dogs they showed in the last ADBA event here in Atlanta, in addition to the countless other ribbons they won that weekend.Yeah, here are two other dogs for you all to talk about if you wish. Finale: http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/finale11.jpg http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/finale-bestofopposite.jpg A.K.A: http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/aka01.jpg http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/files/7/aka-bestofshow.jpg Answer: We will just wait and see if you three have any sincere interest in educating people about your dogs . . . |
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