Why buyer beware is importantQuestion:I think this link: http://http://germanshepherdzone.9k.com/ is a prime example of why puppy buyers should do their homework, plan to meet breeders in person and learn as much about their breed of choice as possible. I'm sure those who are familiar with and care about the breed would find many reasons to be concerned about this web site. For anyone who trains in Schutzhund, the description on the home page is quite interesting. :rolleyes: This "breeder" isn't describing Schutzhund-style tracking, which is why it's important to have some firsthand knowledge of a subject before you publish your opinions. Answer: The link doesn't work. Answer: Hmmm...strange. Here's the link again and another link to a related site. So important for potential GSD puppy buyers (and other breeds) to do their research. http://germanshepherdzone.9k.com OR http://germanshepherd.site.with.us/home Answer: That's what I thought would come up...many of us are already quite familiar with both the site and the breeder. Answer: Oh yeah, definetly familiar whit that bunch. Answer: There are lots of educated people on this site. It's the people who are new to choosing a puppy or selecting a reputable breeder that may run into trouble. Many potential buyers see high prices (the prices for these puppies are just incredible!) and think that the huge dollar signs are equivalent to quality. Web sites are such a popular marketing tool that it's easy to get fooled, particularly when you start proclaiming knowledge about Schutzhund and true working dogs. :mad: This "breeder" claims to be breeding working German shepherds but one of the females (the shepherd/malinois) is obviously a mix. If "Female2" is pure, then my own shepherd is part donkey. :p Answer: Hmm. Was wondering where she went off to. Her last website url which was very similar to this one was changed. I think she got too much flack. Is she still on other forums proclaiming to be what she is not? Answer: I havent seen her Julie, but I don't know for sure. :( ~Tucker Answer: Let us all leave a nice message for her..... http://germanshepherd.site.with.us/guestbook/view/16763 Answer: Look at this off of one of thier links. Its a friend and partner in breeding. These people breed silver labs? Silver labs?! Good lord http://silvercountrylabs.com/ Answer: Yea, What a crock. YELLOW......BLACK.....CHOC...... that is the true breed colors. Looks more like a Wiem. than a lab.:( Ignorant people (not knowing or lacking knowledge of the breed) think they are getting something rare or special. In reality they are getting a poorly bred dog from a byb.:( Answer: First thing I thought too , Julie ! Answer: A silver Lab is like a red Lab to me. Neither is an actual color. Neither can be registered as an official color. A red (or white) is a yellow and a silver is a chocolate. Even though the red and white are extreme differences, it's still a member of the 'yellow' coloring. Silver, IMO, shouldn't be allowed to be registered as 'chocolate'. It doesn't even look like a chocolate...much less a Lab! ::yikes:: Answer: Is a silver Lab a result of dilution like a Blue or Liver Shepherd? Answer: Going on looks alone, it's my opinion that silver labs are a direct result of a mating between a Lab and a Weimeraner. Look at the heads; totally Weim like. It may be a genetically related dilution of the black color gene, which is why it tends to crop up in chocolate litters. Answer: That site is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. I haven't seen such a horrible display of so called knowledge and disgusting breeding practices. I hope this so called breeder loses her dogs before one more litter can be born. 125 lb "working" gsd, with 100% showline dogs behind it, with a dam that can't be traced, with the APR registry??? come on. Their females are probably as worthy for breeding as their so called "stud". I'm so disgusted by this I can't even believe it. if their working knowledge is half as much as their sport knowledge is clear they don't know a **** thing. Luckily for them there are people as clueless and brain dead as themselves so they may just sell a few puppies. Answer: That site is disgusting, absolutely disgusting. I haven't seen such a horrible display of so called knowledge and disgusting breeding practices. I hope this so called breeder loses her dogs before one more litter can be born. 125 lb "working" gsd, with 100% showline dogs behind it, with a dam that can't be traced, with the APR registry??? come on. Their females are probably as worthy for breeding as their so called "stud". I'm so disgusted by this I can't even believe it. if their working knowledge is half as much as their sport knowledge is clear they don't know a **** thing. Luckily for them there are people as clueless and brain dead as themselves so they may just sell a few puppies. That's Yuckaduck for ya..............:rolleyes: Answer: Don't any of you have something better to do then bash me. You keep coming up with this out of the blue. I do not even have to be here. Needless to say none of you change anything that is important. I have no problems selling my pups so guess they ain't that bad now are they? Answer: Don't any of you have something better to do then bash me. You keep coming up with this out of the blue. I do not even have to be here. Needless to say none of you change anything that is important. I have no problems selling my pups so guess they ain't that bad now are they? Whooo else are you Yuck? Or who is your spy? I tried to be your friend and tried to help you with anything you asked. But all you did was lie to me... and this is on a personal level........not only trying to sell dogs under false pretenses. Answer: Just popping this back up for the Lab folks, really am interested in the answer. :) Is a silver Lab a result of dilution like a Blue or Liver Shepherd? Answer: I have no problems selling my pups so guess they ain't that bad now are they? Aww I just LOVE this statement... REALLY goes to show that your in it for the MONEY and NOT the wellbeing of the dog or to better the breed.. or should I say breedS! No one likes feeling betrayed do they? Answer: Here is the info on silver labs http://www.labbies.com/silver.htm and look at this color coat inheritance http://www.labbies.com/genetics2.htm Answer: I sent them an email asking about their "silver labs". I wasn't rude or anything, but they sure were. Said I was wasting their time and that there are plenty of sites that say silver labs are a color, etc, etc. I'd rather not post it cause it's quite rude. However, if they send any sites that "prove" silver Labs are a real color that we'll "have to accept" I'll be sure to post them here. :) Answer: Don't any of you have something better to do then bash me. You keep coming up with this out of the blue. I do not even have to be here. Needless to say none of you change anything that is important. I have no problems selling my pups so guess they ain't that bad now are they? Aren't you expecting your first litter? If that's the case, no one (even yourself) can know if these pups "ain't that bad". Two years down the road, after they've had hips X-rayed, taken temperament tests and maybe even put through a working program will you know if you've actually produced a "quality working german shepherd." APR is not a well-known registry. If the pedigrees are legitimate, why aren't the dogs registered with AKC or CKC? How do you get excellent elbow ratings when elbows are rated normal or dysplastic? If you're going to try to charge $2,500 for a working pup or $1,800 for a sport pup, expect to be scrutinized. Some of the best working line breeders, who have years of breeding and titling experience, don't charge anywhere near $1,800. Why the exhorbitant prices when the parents aren't proven? As for your description of Schutzhund on the home page, you clearly haven't trained in the sport. Maybe you should say that not all Schutzhund dogs are suitable for police work, which I think you're trying to describe when you talk about working dogs. There are many working dogs out there and they're not part of a K9 unit. I'd suggest watching a Schutzhund trial some time and then you'll see what it means to really know and train a dog. There are no targets in tracking; the dogs do not watch someone hide prior to running the track. They're tracking human scent and using their senses, just like "real" working dogs. As for protection, you've clearly never trained a dog in this phase or you'd know that they have plenty of "instinct to react" as you describe on your site. Fortunately, they also learn to inhibit themselves and follow commands, which is the essence of the phase - working in the highest level of drive while remaining under the handler's control. This isn't about bashing you. If you want to breed out-of-standard shepherds and shepherd mixes, so be it. But if you think that you're offering something outstanding based on the mixes and untitled dogs on your site, then you're only fooling yourself and the poor unsuspecting buyers that get pulled in by cute puppies. Answer: Just popping this back up for the Lab folks, really am interested in the answer. :) http://www.labbies.com/silver.htm Answer: Here's an interesting explanation of the genetics behind the silver lab: http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/silverlabs.html Answer: Don't any of you have something better to do then bash me. You keep coming up with this out of the blue. I do not even have to be here. Needless to say none of you change anything that is important. I have no problems selling my pups so guess they ain't that bad now are they? What is important that should be changed? Do you think there is something wrong? If so what is it? Answer: What is important that should be changed? Do you think there is something wrong? If so what is it? She knows but doesn't care. She used to be a regular member. And she also had many many training and care questions. She also has somewhat of a temper. She learned what the right way is. She has had so many contridicting stories it would blow your mind. She has had followers to this site just to bash her because of her lies. etc. She really has made a name for herself.......and not to sugar coat it..........it is not good. :( I just feel for the people paying an outlandish amount for one of her "working" pups.......that they could get the same thing from the pound. I also would like to say.......... at one time you used my name in your personal info. on another site ......... I saw it. I don't know why you did that, but I just wanted to let you know that, I caught it.;) Please don't do that again............... Answer: :o wow.. an Identity Theif too?? Wow.. thats always fun to deal with isn't it! Answer: I have never used your personal name on any website...would be of no benifit for me anyway so why??? THe only time you were ever mentioned what when you made a website there was a thank you to you for that. As well as the signature you made...I thanked you. Never was your personal name or anything related to you used in any way. Also to make such a statemate is making a pretty good false remark. Does you husband...an officer of the law...know you behave this way? Answer: What is important that should be changed? Do you think there is something wrong? If so what is it? Nope nothing needs to change...like I said no one here changes anything important. I got mentors and trainers for that. Even got a vet for that. Why would I need people I have never met that just out of the blue choose to once again start bashing me? Answer: I thought she was talking to me...I was like HUH?!!! Answer: Yuck, do you still have Hope? Answer: Yuck, do you still have Hope? Why would you care? Run out of other bashing things? Answer: I guess I'll assume thats a no? Answer: BTW I never bashed you I was concerned with the silver lab partner you have. I dont need to bash you. You already know better but you choose to make the wrong choices. NUF said:popcorn: Answer: I just hope your not planning on breeding your mutt bitch that you have... Belgians and Germans should never be mixed... You'll be ruining two great breeds if you carry that one on.. Answer: I have never used your personal name on any website...would be of no benifit for me anyway so why??? THe only time you were ever mentioned what when you made a website there was a thank you to you for that. As well as the signature you made...I thanked you. Never was your personal name or anything related to you used in any way. Also to make such a statemate is making a pretty good false remark. Does you husband...an officer of the law...know you behave this way? Of course he does...... that's why he married me. ;) Part of being an officer is investigating. I also have it saved somewhere on my computer. :) It has your name listed as Julie. But it says you are into horses and breeding GSD's. Neither of which I have done. I guess I could look for the print screen picture to verify my statements. :) Answer: How are you being bashed? If you believe in your breeding program and offer quality puppies from registered parents that are proven in both health and working ability, then you have nothing to be worried about. On the other hand, if you were breeding shepherds and shepherd mixes of questionable lineage with no proven working ability and selling them for inflated prices, then expect people to ask questions. (By the way, the huge chains tying up your prized dogs are particularly attractive.) Answer: Of course he does...... that's why he married me. ;) Part of being an officer is investigating. I also have it saved somewhere on my computer. :) It has your name listed as Julie. But it says you are into horses and breeding GSD's. Neither of which I have done. I guess I could look for the print screen picture to verify my statements. :) That might be wise as I have never used the name Julie before. I have used yuckaduck obviously YK Shepherd Sheplover DogZone Horseylady {on my horse forum} Heather Even used Irene once {that is my middle name} Never used Julie...whatever your last name is. To steal someones identity...you have to use both first and last name....I have never ever done that. BTW you are not the only Julie I know.... One of my good friends happens to be a Julie..she breeds Quarter Horses...not really into dogs though. So before you accuss someone of identity theft you better make sure you have the proof that somewhere out there I stole and used your first and last name...cause it never happened. Answer: How are you being bashed? If you believe in your breeding program and offer quality puppies from registered parents that are proven in both health and working ability, then you have nothing to be worried about. On the other hand, if you were breeding shepherds and shepherd mixes of questionable lineage with no proven working ability and selling them for inflated prices, then expect people to ask questions. (By the way, the huge chains tying up your prized dogs are particularly attractive.) It is impressive isn't it? They are not even my dog chains...but it was quick and easy for the pictures. I am not worried... not at all. Why should I be? Right now I can honestly say I am being a troll....I am having way too much fun here. Actually the one that is really really upset about this thread is my mentor. He owns a share in each of my dogs...so by calling my dogs garbage you are calling his dogs garbage. He needs to lighten up and understand where it is coming from though. If people are not happy with what I sell...my contract has a full buy back at full price clause in it. Even states the shipping if any required would be at our expense. I feel that confident about my dogs and pups. Answer: this is crazy. the thought of a sliver lab is awful! why polute the blood lines? how is that diffrent from a mutt? look at the head and ears. omg, i would had swore it was a wammer. Answer: I just hope your not planning on breeding your mutt bitch that you have... Belgians and Germans should never be mixed... You'll be ruining two great breeds if you carry that one on.. Actually the mix is a very popular police dog right now in parts of Europe. She is not one of my puppies...we bought her for training purposes not with the intent to breed her. She is extremely shy and very unsocialized right now. Two traits I do not want in any of my pups... Never can say what the future will bring though. Answer: this is crazy. the thought of a sliver lab is awful! why polute the blood lines? how is that diffrent from a mutt? look at the head and ears. omg, i would had swore it was a wammer. Well you ain't bashing me at least...I don't have any labs.:D Answer: All I can say is I have never meet a sociopath quite like you Yuck! Any pshyciatrist would have a hayday documenting your behavior! Answer: Well guys it really has been fun but I gotta go catch some sleep. Glory is due in two days and just in case it is a middle of the night afair...I better just do the zzzzzzzzzzzz thing. Do not want to be to tired to help her out if she needs it. Have a good one Answer: i couldnt get the link to your site. so you are breeding GSD and that other dog (forgot the name, sorta like a GSD) i am not bashing you, but to me thats no diffrent then the silver lab, or even labradoodles, etc etc etc. Answer: It is impressive isn't it? They are not even my dog chains...but it was quick and easy for the pictures. I am not worried... not at all. Why should I be? Right now I can honestly say I am being a troll....I am having way too much fun here. Actually the one that is really really upset about this thread is my mentor. He owns a share in each of my dogs...so by calling my dogs garbage you are calling his dogs garbage. He needs to lighten up and understand where it is coming from though. If people are not happy with what I sell...my contract has a full buy back at full price clause in it. Even states the shipping if any required would be at our expense. I feel that confident about my dogs and pups. No one said you should be worried. And no one called your dogs garbage, but some were referred to as mixes. It's great that your puppy buyers can get their full money back if the puppies don't work out. That's a perfect safety net considering that the parents are not titled and the pups may not turn out to be suitable working dogs. Have you considered working and titling your dogs? It would certainly help to lend credence to your breeding program. How about breeding to the standard? These are the things that reputable breeders do. Answer: Ohh well its a good thing you did research on the Belgian breed before you purchased her then. Belgians handle VERY differently then the GSD.. lets hope for your sake she handles like a GSD.. we have all seen how how you do with them :) Answer: Well guys it really has been fun but I gotta go catch some sleep. Glory is due in two days and just in case it is a middle of the night afair...I better just do the zzzzzzzzzzzz thing. Do not want to be to tired to help her out if she needs it. Have a good one *KISS - KISS* :rolleyes: Answer: Ohh well its a good thing you did research on the Belgian breed before you purchased her then. Belgians handle VERY differently then the GSD.. lets hope for your sake she handles like a GSD.. we have all seen how how you do with them :) I doubt there will be much handling done at all. Tying a dog out on a chain and then breeding it doesn't take alot of skill. Sad, isn't it? Answer: Sometimes I wonder if there is some mulitple personality syndrom going on here:confused: Answer: Well... she'll find out sooner or later what an untrained, no manners Belgian is capable of :) Answer: Well... she'll find out sooner or later what an untrained, no manners Belgian is capable of :) Now that should be interesting - and should make wonderful puppies. :rolleyes: Answer: Actually the mix is a very popular police dog right now in parts of Europe. She is not one of my puppies...we bought her for training purposes not with the intent to breed her. She is extremely shy and very unsocialized right now. Two traits I do not want in any of my pups... Never can say what the future will bring though. Why did you buy a shy dog that is unsocialized for training purposes??? That's Your Sign.......... Well you ain't bashing me at least...I don't have any labs.:D What happened to all the labs you posted pictures of? :( I doubt there will be much handling done at all. Tying a dog out on a chain and then breeding it doesn't take alot of skill. Sad, isn't it? Yes, it is sad. You all know these dogs live on the chains. Hey Yuck, what happened to your kennels? I can post the pics of them if you wish. :rolleyes: Why aren't they living there? I know you don't have all those dogs living in your home............ as you couldn't control Yukon. Much less all the others... Answer: :popcorn: Answer: There is nothing sadder than seeing those dogs on chains, except for the poor submissive-looking mix that will be turned into a working dog somehow. I hope future puppy buyers get something out of this thread, even if it means thinking twice about breeders that don't do all of the crucial health testing and titling before breeding. There are so many BYBs with slick web sites out there and it takes a great deal of research to sift through the propaganda. I doubt that people looking for working line shepherds would give these dogs a second look. I hope the pet people who buy these puppies can handle the challenges they'll face. Answer: You guys are just to entertaining...I can't get away. Who said they were all living in the house? Who says I cannot control Yukon? Who says we do not still have our kennels? Wow you make alot of assumtions. By the way we are working very closely with a trainer...all of Yukon's issues were cleared up by getting the right trainer and putting him to work. He needed to do something...anything...he loves his personal protection work. He loves his tracking.... He was not getting that mind of his stimulated...that is why he was such a bozo....he certainly has no issues at all now. Sold the labs...long ago. Too much trying to keep up with the health tests and vet bills of two breeds at once. Stuck with the GSD's! Lots of other lab breeders out there. Go to the link on my website for Shouland labs...Nikki { Stevie Nicks Landslide} is there...that is who bought her. What is wrong with you? Why not buy a shy, unsocialized dog...and work with it. Actually I am not the one working with her...got my own things to do. That is what our trainer is for..... He thinks she will be a really nice dog once she gets some work put in on her. Why do you have to start out with the perfect dog everytime you want to do something? Why not take something and work with it and see it blossum? Answer: There is nothing sadder than seeing those dogs on chains, except for the poor submissive-looking mix that will be turned into a working dog somehow. I hope future puppy buyers get something out of this thread, even if it means thinking twice about breeders that don't do all of the crucial health testing and titling before breeding. There are so many BYBs with slick web sites out there and it takes a great deal of research to sift through the propaganda. I doubt that people looking for working line shepherds would give these dogs a second look. I hope the pet people who buy these puppies can handle the challenges they'll face. I highly doubt I will have any pet quality available... Already got many many deposits from true working people so guess they forgot to look the other way. Answer: All i can say is I'm glad you aren't the one working with the Belgian/GSD bitch :) Answer: All i can say is I'm glad you aren't the one working with the Belgian/GSD bitch :) I got a child that started school today and the other one who cried all day because she missed her big sister. I got a bitch due in two days...I got enough on the go that I really do not have time or knowledge to train. Not past basic obedience. Never planned too. I am not even the one who finds the dogs and purchases them...would not really know what to look for. I am not the one in charge of the breeding either...that is what my mentor is for. I get the easy job really! None of my dogs live on chains...but really it ain't your business anyway now is it??? Answer: I highly doubt I will have any pet quality available... Already got many many deposits from true working people so guess they forgot to look the other way. If you were really familiar with breeding and genetics, you would know that you're going to get a variance in drive throughout the litter. Odds are that they're not going to all be working dogs - some pet, some working - if you're lucky. I guess it depends on your definition of true working people - I know that many canine handlers won't even look at a dog until it's older. Puppies are a crapshoot, no matter how good the breeding. Even reputable working line breeders have trouble finding good working homes. I would be immediately suspect of a working line breeder that didn't see some validity in Schutzhund, which began as the true breed test for the German shepherd. Answer: Well it really has been fun. But I really do need to get off to bed....before I get hooked for another hour here. Whether you agree with me or not...the people who want my puppies and the people who work with me....do agree. That is what is important. It is easy to gang up on someone without taking the time to actually go and see what you are ganging up on. I have recieved three deposits from all the bashing that started here months ago. People who actually wanted to see what all the nonsense was about. They were not disappointed...and neither am I. Take care...... Good Night:popcorn: Answer: I got a child that started school today and the other one who cried all day because she missed her big sister. I got a bitch due in two days...I got enough on the go that I really do not have time or knowledge to train. Not past basic obedience. Never planned too. I am not even the one who finds the dogs and purchases them...would not really know what to look for. I am not the one in charge of the breeding either...that is what my mentor is for. I get the easy job really! None of my dogs live on chains...but really it ain't your business anyway now is it??? This just gets better all the time! :yikes: You're a breeder of working German shepherds that doesn't select or purchase the breeding stock, doesn't train any of the dogs and really isn't in charge of breeding. So I guess you take the deposits and final payments? Is that the easy job? This is so unbelieveable that I have to wonder if the web site and breeding program itself isn't a hoax. Answer: I guess it depends on your definition of true working people - I know that many canine handlers won't even look at a dog until it's older. Puppies are a crapshoot, no matter how good the breeding. Even reputable working line breeders have trouble finding good working homes. . Exactly! Although I prefer a pup. I like having a pup grow up here. Buying dogs thier personalities are so different then the pups I raise and keep. Not in a bad way...just different Answer: Sigh !!! Hi Yucka and goodbye !! Answer: I have recieved three deposits from all the bashing that started here months ago. People who actually wanted to see what all the nonsense was about. They were not disappointed...and neither am I. Oh, don't worry. It's easy to see what the nonsense is about. You should be ashamed, which you won't, because there's simply too much money to be made. Those poor puppies.... Answer: I guess you have them fooled. ;) :spam: :yikes: Well it really has been fun. But I really do need to get off to bed....before I get hooked for another hour here. Whether you agree with me or not...the people who want my puppies and the people who work with me....do agree. That is what is important. It is easy to gang up on someone without taking the time to actually go and see what you are ganging up on. I have recieved three deposits from all the bashing that started here months ago. People who actually wanted to see what all the nonsense was about. They were not disappointed...and neither am I. Take care...... Good Night:popcorn: Answer: A very belated happy birthday Yuck. I do feel you have been two faced here and on the web, as documented by many here, for a long time. I wish you, your family and your dogs the best. I can only hope your buyers get what they have paid for. Answer: That might be wise as I have never used the name Julie before. I have used yuckaduck obviously YK Shepherd Sheplover DogZone Horseylady {on my horse forum} Heather Even used Irene once {that is my middle name} Never used Julie...whatever your last name is. To steal someones identity...you have to use both first and last name....I have never ever done that. BTW you are not the only Julie I know.... One of my good friends happens to be a Julie..she breeds Quarter Horses...not really into dogs though. So before you accuss someone of identity theft you better make sure you have the proof that somewhere out there I stole and used your first and last name...cause it never happened. I didn't say you used my name as a sign in name....... I said you used my first name in your personal profile. :) ( I am looking for it.) Oh no wait......... I bet you were using your friends name. Uhh? Answer: What happened to your guestbook? Couldn't take some criticisim? :D Answer: What happened to your guestbook? Couldn't take some criticisim? :D I posted a comment. Just matter of fact though. Answer: *sigh* Let's not feed the troll everyone. ~Tucker Answer: Im pretty quick to yell Troll in most cases. I dont think Yucks trolling even though she called herself out . What she is trying to defend or prove I have no idea but I dont think she is being trollish. Call it a hunch on my part. Answer: Not wanting to drag this thread out any further since I think this "breeder" has revealed her motives and lack of knowledge, but it's nice to see that she did take some advice to heart and amended her erroneous description of Schutzhund on her web site. Good for you, Yuckaduck! ;) And you've added your description of working dogs (though I'd remove "stuff like this" - it's pretty amateur). Oops...then there's more confusion on Yukon's page. Do you actually mean show lines when you refer to Schutzhund lines? Because Yukon's sire, Bazi, is a showlines dog, you mention that his dam's side compensates for something lacking in the sire's pedigree. There's nothing wrong with Schutzhund-titled dogs in the pedigree - I'm sure you don't want to give your puppy buyers the wrong impression that the years of work needed to achieve a Schutzhund title are worthless. As for Sky, I've never heard of a washed out, color schemed shepherd - it's just not a description ever used to describe a GSD. She looks part husky or maybe cattledog to me, but that's just an opinion. ;) Now if the dogs weren't pictured on logging chains, you'd be all set! :) Answer: i went to leave a comment last night as well, but nothing would go thru?? HMMM I thought I may have recognized those names. I swear I read on another forum maybe this one I don' know, her "stud" working dog that by the way has 100% showlines on one side and an untraceable mother on the other, was a rescue at some point that sounded like a fear biting spook, but to the uneducated that might seem like a good "working" dog. 125 lbs??? So where is the mother from, what's her pedigree. If you can get the pics up, you can scan a copy of the ped and post it. While your at it, get me a video too, i'd love to see these dogs work, better yet, bring them down here and I"ll work them, i'd love to see what these dogs have. You're poor mix, it looks nothing like any working mix in Europe and its not that widely done BTW, maybe in your mind, but not in reality. That mix just looks like it would like to be anywhere other than being confronted by an aggressor, in the face of no aggressor. Very shameful, poor thing. for 500 more bucks than your puppy price I can buy a green dog with lots of imprinting that I"ve seen take down 200 pound men, i know what it has. What's your mentor's name?? What's his kennel, his training, PM me if you'd like. Answer: Wow! Yuckon lost five pounds overnight:p Answer: Wow! Yuckon lost five pounds overnight:p Shoot, what's the secret? I'd love to sleep five pounds off a night!http://bestsmileys.com/eating1/5.gif Answer: Guys, mind if we call this one done? ;) |
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