Bad fight between Ralph & Zeuss last night.. - Page 2

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Originally Posted by Heldengebroed Don't know what breed it is but for the average breed (if such a thing excist) you just started a vicious circle.

Most dog fights seem much worst than they realy are. There is in most dogs an instinct that prevents killing within the own pack. What you've done (if it is a daominance fight; you're talking about 2 pups that haven't grown into thier character yet) is that you've proteced the weaker dog. The stronger dog "knows" he is the strongest and will try to re-establish his dominance, thus the second fight. But because you have stopped him he will try to do so with even more determination and punch. You protected the younger dog and now you're waiting for the next round which will be even wors.

greetings

johan Personally I think Luke did the right thing. I know of cases where people have thought it best to let them 'fight it out', and ended up with huge veterinary bills, very ill dogs and in one case, a dead dog. Only Luke and his relative/owner of the GSP can determine how bad the fight was, and if it were bad enough to break up.

Most dogs will not fight to the death this is true, but the injuries sustained in such a fight could be bad enough that said dog may not recover.

I have witnessed my own dogs fighting over the pecking order, although both intact bitches not dogs, but if i'd have let them get on with it without interviening, I am 100% sure this would have resulted in a very nasty outcome, as even with a physical break up of the pair by myself, one of my bitches was still badly hurt and required veterinary care. I have never let them get on with sorting their differences themselves, but instead chose their hierachy myself and established this within the home, and although it took some time to establish, and 2 more spats despite careful monitoring, both now get along well as they have now accepted their places in the 'pack'.

I think to say that most fights are not as bad as they look, and insinuate that Luke did the wrong thing in splitting them up is unjustified as none of us actually saw the fight. We can just give our best advice going on Luke's own judgement of the fight.

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Happy Birthday Luke glad no harm was done..
They don't live together so I would not be overly concerned. You can always keep them seperate when they visit you , I bet they will be fine when you are out walking and they have lots of other distractions..

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What so Luke should of let his dog get ripped to bits? Great advice Heldengebroed. You should always stop dog fights within the home, and for the record i had it with 2 male Dobermanns NOT nice, and also I had an odd squabble between my 2 mongrels, i always stopped it, seperated them for a few minutes then put them back again, if they had continued fighting then they would of been kept seperate permanently.
Dawn.

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Its nice to know that some do agree with me then..i just was rather thrown off by Heldengebroed's post I couldn't sit n allow one dog or the other to get seriously damaged, both fair sized breeds, young, very fit, male, lots of power..not good in a fight. Hopefully it won't be too bad..and may settle for future..

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Happy birthady hun!!! (sorry its late!)

I think you did the right thing! Everyone has pretty much said what i would have - good luck!

Alex
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Originally Posted by Luke Its nice to know that some do agree with me then..i just was rather thrown off by Heldengebroed's post I couldn't sit n allow one dog or the other to get seriously damaged, both fair sized breeds, young, very fit, male, lots of power..not good in a fight. Hopefully it won't be too bad..and may settle for future.. Luke, not only do I agree with you and how you handled the situation but shocker of shockers I totally agree with what Borderdawn said in response to Heldengebroed.

Yes its likely to be hormone driven spatting, and the very hot weather wont have helped - that alone can cause uncommon behaviour in dogs let alone the addition of raging hormones in young dogs of very similar age, then add a heightened atmopshere of a party / BBQ, the smell of the food being more inviting to dogs than usual, extra attension and noise, all very innocent things normally, but the combination of everything together might just have been too much and led to the eruption, [ with hormone drive being the main culprit most likely ], but as already mentioned, the dogs don`t live together so its something which should be maneagable now that its apparent there is a bit of an issue between them at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Borderdawn What so Luke should of let his dog get ripped to bits? Great advice Heldengebroed. You should always stop dog fights within the home, and for the record i had it with 2 male Dobermanns NOT nice, and also I had an odd squabble between my 2 mongrels, i always stopped it, seperated them for a few minutes then put them back again, if they had continued fighting then they would of been kept seperate permanently.
Dawn. A dogs of 8 months and about a year old are pups so for me it wasn't a real dominance fight they are to young.

By intervening the following has occured:
The weaker dog hasn't learned that he gets a beating when he steps out of line
The stronger dog has been ignored his "right" of dominance

Both dogs are torn out of thier natural behaviour and will, if they still are dogs, try to re-establish the natural order. But with more violence.

By alowing the natural order to be set in the first fights you avoid stronger fights afterwards. Done this numerous times with very dominant dogs without any problem. Sometimes blood flows but that was always after i for reasons other than the fight i had intervened before

At this moment i have 2 malinois that are very dominant. The majority of members of this board wouldn't be able to handle them. I know that in a years time there will be a rumble because the younger dog will grow into a stronger more dominant dog than the older one. The signs are there. I will let nature have its way and i will end up with a stable packorder without underlying tensions.

Greetings

Johan

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Happy belated birthday Luke, sorry to hear of the dogs fighting.

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i can kinda see what heldengebroed was saying but obviously you dont want your dog to come to any harm

alfie our little border terrier is a stroppy alpha male and he tried asserting himself over a presa canario. it was funny at first because alf had been round harry since harry was a pup and now he towered over alf, who was guarding a toy but when they both got serious we had to get him out of there because harry had alfs whole head in his mouth!!!

luckily he only ended up with a slight nick and we think that alfie snapping at him has really let harry know whos boss, but it could have been so much worse if we hadnt stepped in

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Originally Posted by Heldengebroed A dogs of 8 months and about a year old are pups so for me it wasn't a real dominance fight they are to young.

By intervening the following has occured:
The weaker dog hasn't learned that he gets a beating when he steps out of line
The stronger dog has been ignored his "right" of dominance

Both dogs are torn out of thier natural behaviour and will, if they still are dogs, try to re-establish the natural order. But with more violence.

By alowing the natural order to be set in the first fights you avoid stronger fights afterwards. Done this numerous times with very dominant dogs without any problem. Sometimes blood flows but that was always after i for reasons other than the fight i had intervened before

At this moment i have 2 malinois that are very dominant. The majority of members of this board wouldn't be able to handle them. I know that in a years time there will be a rumble because the younger dog will grow into a stronger more dominant dog than the older one. The signs are there. I will let nature have its way and i will end up with a stable packorder without underlying tensions.

Greetings

Johan you must be a very special dog owner, maybe one day some of us will reach that level.

Patch said.
Luke, not only do I agree with you and how you handled the situation but shocker of shockers I totally agree with what Borderdawn said in response to Heldengebroed.