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The Echo is responsible for whipping up media hype and frightening innocent normal family people.
I'm glad i don't pay to read that tripe as far i'm concerned it would serve a better purpose in the toilet!!!

There overall view on this mess,farce call it what you will


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Originally Posted by Nicci_L I agree, theres been a few people within the area's of Birmingham that have been proved to be breeders of Pit Bulls. I would know where to find one if I wanted one (Point is I dont) you only have to go deep within the heart of the Black Country there are breeders on every corner of every street. They are here, and have been for a long time, even after the DDA act was introduced if you know where to look and know what you are looking for pure bred Pitties are not that hard to find, belive me. oh be careful! if you go deep into the heart of the black country NO self respecting breeder would call there bull terriers "pits!" they breed stafford dogs! alway have always will! some may breed to the 1935 standard favored by the founders of the staffordshire bull terrier, such as Mr Joseph Dunn, Mr Bill Boylan, and Mr Joe Mallen stafford dog breeder and mine host at the old cross gunns inn! his dog Gentleman Jim (first Champion) would, today be discribed as pit bull type, but his bloodlines can be traced back through many KC champions! Pits, true pits left these shores long before the saffordshire bull terrier was a KC dog! so, although they come from the same basic blood lines they developed many many 1000's of miles away and became a differant breed altogether! sorry but I'll stop now! I can feel a book comming on! lol!

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Originally Posted by sky_high_bluest and further more the ECHO do not Deserve any praise This is a report, facts and figures. Objective not subjective. Why do you think my pointing out the missed out figures praises the echo? I was pointing out the full report which not only mentioned the dogs PTS but that 100 were reassured that their dogs were not illegal.
To be honest I do not know why my posts was moved out of the 'reassurance' thread as I would have thought the information that MORE dogs have been released, dogs that the police could very easily have taken and said 'thank you very much' to owners that volunteered them, than have been destroyed should be very reassuring for you.

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Originally Posted by Sara1210 I dont think the echo have done anythng descent throughtout this whole thing. You only have to read the article that Sal put up the other day about police warning dog owners. They are going out of there way to scare people. Are you not in danger of shooting the messenger. If the police are about to start a campaign is it not advisable to inform the public or do you think that if they did not tell people it would just go away? I think we have to accept the police activity is due to recent events rather than promoted by the Echo. And if you think the police are wrong to react to events can you imagine the public outcry if another such event occured and they had done silch?

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[quote=sky_high_bluest;923893] some may breed to the 1935 standard favored by the founders of the staffordshire bull terrier, such as Mr Joseph Dunn, Mr Bill Boylan, and Mr Joe Mallen stafford dog breeder and mine host at the old cross gunns inn! his dog Gentleman Jim (first Champion) would, today be discribed as pit bull type, but his bloodlines can be traced back through many KC champions! QUOTE]



You are probably right both Ch gentleman Jim and CH lady Eve,would be classed as type under this stupid legislation.

CH Gentleman Jim


CH Lady Eve


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Originally Posted by Hewey This is a report, facts and figures. Objective not subjective. Why do you think my pointing out the missed out figures praises the echo? I was pointing out the full report which not only mentioned the dogs PTS but that 100 were reassured that their dogs were not illegal.
To be honest I do not know why my posts was moved out of the 'reassurance' thread as I would have thought the information that MORE dogs have been released, dogs that the police could very easily have taken and said 'thank you very much' to owners that volunteered them, than have been destroyed should be very reassuring for you. Hewey I am so sorry if you feel i was having a go at you! I wasn't it's just the ECHO have done so much damage now to my breed that I see red every time the RAG is mentioned! as for the 100 dogs that have been returnd where did you get this info? as I havn't heard of anywhere near that many being returned! and yes it would be reassuring if the, so called, police experts were consistent!

Two examples for you!

1. My breeder had the dam and sire of my saffie cleared 4 weeks ago yet on Sunday saffies litter brother was taken as a pit bull and the case is going to court?

2. A man from St Helens had 4 american bulldog pups taken out of a litter of 12? The dam and sire and the rest of the pups were deemed not to be pit bulls but the 4 pups were deemed pit bull?? The mind boggles!

So you can see why I’m not jumping through hoops with excitement!

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Originally Posted by sky_high_bluest as for the 100 dogs that have been returnd where did you get this info? From the Echo report linked above. If we are to dispute that figure we should dispute all the figures but for a paper that has been accused of hyping up the problem I see no reason at all for them to quote this figure as it shows so many of the dogs that people were worried out were not a worry at all.
I wonder if people are, perhaps, also hyping up the Echo as being whippers-up when they are no more than mere reporters of the facts and information by the police and after all what community does not want to be informed.

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Originally Posted by Hewey From the Echo report linked above. If we are to dispute that figure we should dispute all the figures but for a paper that has been accused of hyping up the problem I see no reason at all for them to quote this figure as it shows so many of the dogs that people were worried out were not a worry at all.
I wonder if people are, perhaps, also hyping up the Echo as being whippers-up when they are no more than mere reporters of the facts and information by the police and after all what community does not want to be informed. It does not state that 100 dogs were returned it states the following:
Of equal importance is the fact that nearly 100 responsible dog owners were reassured by officers that their animals were not illegal and were therefore allowed to keep them.

Slightly different to having your door kicked and your dog seized and no where does it state 100 dogs were returned....

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Originally Posted by nissanmad It does not state that 100 dogs were returned it states the following:
Of equal importance is the fact that nearly 100 responsible dog owners were reassured by officers that their animals were not illegal and were therefore allowed to keep them..... I beg your pardon, nearly 100 dogs

Originally Posted by nissanmad Slightly different to having your door kicked and your dog seized and no where does it state 100 dogs were returned.... No, and I did not misunderstand it to say that, but I don't see your point there. Isn't it good enough news the nearly 100 dogs were taken by their owners voluntarily, concerned that they would be taken, to find that the police did not take the opportunity to do so and sent them home reassured?

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Originally Posted by Hewey I beg your pardon, nearly 100 dogs



No, and I did not misunderstand it to say that, but I don't see your point there. Isn't it good enough news the nearly 100 dogs were taken by their owners voluntarily, concerned that they would be taken, to find that the police did not take the opportunity to do so and sent them home reassured?
Those concerned probably owned JRT`s

You dont work for the Echo by any chance do you?
I see no other reason why you would be sticking up for them when we have all seen with our own eyes what fright they have pumped into people.