I sorry but £750 for a dog with a fault? - Page 2

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Its not a fault, its just not recognised. A fault is, for example (not sure with your breed) but if a dog has black in the coat if they shouldnt, too much white, wrong pigment, wrong nail or ears. The dogs aren't physically faulted, instead are just of a different colour. I personally would not want to go to the effort of importing a dog i couldn't show but the breeder clearly wants to introduce this colour into the UK, whioch is fair enough. There are a lot of breeds that are just being introduced into this country which only happens from someone taking the first step. Maybe they are hoping that sometime in the future the dogs CAN be shown and so will be the first people with dogs of that colour - If thats what they want, then fair enough.

You say you can buy a normal coloured one for that, it makes that price seem even more reasonable!! If they were just in it for the money they would charge considerably more for the "unique" blue dogs. It seems to me as though the breeder is trying to bring new bloodlines and introduce a new colour which IMO can only be a good thing. If the colour is accepted in other countires, why shouldn't it be here in time?

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Originally Posted by Jessica Its not a fault, its just not recognised. A fault is, for example (not sure with your breed) but if a dog has black in the coat if they shouldnt, too much white, wrong pigment, wrong nail or ears. The dogs aren't physically faulted, instead are just of a different colour. I personally would not want to go to the effort of importing a dog i couldn't show but the breeder clearly wants to introduce this colour into the UK, whioch is fair enough. There are a lot of breeds that are just being introduced into this country which only happens from someone taking the first step. Maybe they are hoping that sometime in the future the dogs CAN be shown and so will be the first people with dogs of that colour - If thats what they want, then fair enough.

You say you can buy a normal coloured one for that, it makes that price seem even more reasonable!! If they were just in it for the money they would charge considerably more for the "unique" blue dogs. It seems to me as though the breeder is trying to bring new bloodlines and introduce a new colour which IMO can only be a good thing. If the colour is accepted in other countires, why shouldn't it be here in time? For a well bred pup of good lines yes! She is charging less for the silver in her litter, which in my eyes is worth more.

Ok technically it's not a LISTED fault as it is not even recognised, but you won't win a dime with a blue Weimy in the UK.

I am all up for new breeds being introduced, I would LOVE to see the coonhound here in the UK, and recognised and shown But we already have Weimaraners...

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Had an email from said breeder and I have expressed my concerns in a friendly mannor. She said she is selling them as she thinks they are beautiful.

I agree they are beautiful, but if she replies to my email futher details may be made clear.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Its not a fault, its just not recognised. It most certainly is a fault for a Weimaraner to be coloured blue. The breed standard clearly states what colour Weimaraners are supposed to be and any departure from that, is a fault, and will be judged in relation to it's degree. So, in simple terms if anyone was to show a blue Weim that was otherwise 'perfect' the judge would have to decide whether the one fault (colour) was more, or less acceptable that the faults displayed by the other (otherwise perfect) dogs in the class. Remember, each dog is judged against the breed standard, and the judge decides which dog conforms most closely to it.

Dawn R.

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It is not RECOGNISED in the breed standard and as such cannot be shown (as mentioned in the ad) but i believe it IS recognised in other countries so technically is not a fault in the conformation of the dog as such. Of course judges would mark the dog down for being the wrong colour according to the current breed standard, but if and when they are recognised in the UK they wont be considered a fault

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The same problem came with the importing of "white" dobermanns from the States. Just a thought as the colour is not recognised by the KC will they be prepared to register them? Kath

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Originally Posted by Jessica It is not RECOGNISED in the breed standard and as such cannot be shown (as mentioned in the ad) but i believe it IS recognised in other countries so technically is not a fault in the conformation of the dog as such. Of course judges would mark the dog down for being the wrong colour according to the current breed standard, but if and when they are recognised in the UK they wont be considered a fault
Jessica, it would be perfectly possible to show a Blue Weimaraner in the UK. Here we have no disqualifying faults, but a fault it definately is. A blue Weimaraner would be unlikely to win in the showring because there are more than enough good quality Weims of correct colouring. The UK breed standard lists the acceptable colours and blue isn't among them. That makes it a fault in the UK.

Dawn R.

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Said lady has insisted she has had the dogs health checked and hip scored

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I agree Nursey, it does state on the standard, "Any departure of the forgoing points should be considered a fault", and that it is

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sorry I just had to see what a blue looked like so googled there was also this info attached to the picture so maybe america doesnt recognise blue either

# Q. What is a 'Blue' Weimaraner?
A. The blue coat color of the Weimaraner is similar to the smokey blue/black coat of the Great Dane. The color is tracable to one imported German dog bred under controversial circumstances. There are disagreements on the the origins of his blue color. Some strongly believe he was the result of a cross between a Doberman and a Weimaraner, others think he was severely inbred. Very few Weimaraners survived World War I where he originated. He had a black nose, blue/black fur and other features uncharacteristic to Weimaraners.

Regardless of where the color originated, the fact remains that blue is a disqualifying fault in the official AKC standard. Blue Weimaraners cannot be shown. They are NOT considered "rare". The color can arise in a puppy whose littermates have the accepted mousy gray coloring. A dark coated normal gray Weim definately is not a blue. The blue is very distinctive as it is nearly charcoal black: there is no such thing as a little bit blue.

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The following is from Page 55 of Weimaraner Ways, by Virginia Alexander and Jackie Isabell:
"The necessary majority of the WCA membership approved a revision of the standard that disqualified the blues, and it went into effect in 1971. The disqualification bars blues from show competition and WCA ratings but does not invalidate their AKC registration. Most fanciers who supported the blues simply accepted the disqualification and bred no more blues. . .

"Weimaraners remain one of the breeds characterized by a specific color; the uniquely silver-gray color is the hallmark of the Weimaraner in all other countries and evidence of its ancient origin. WCA has every right - indeed, a responsibility - to discourage the breeding of Weimaraners that are not of the typical, traditional color."

# Q. What is a 'Brown' Weimaraner?
A. There is a group of people in this country who think they are breeding a better Weimaraner by breeding German Shorthair Pointers to them. They truly believe at some point everyone will think they are improving the breed. It is disturbing at times to receive letters from pet owners asking about 'brown' Weimaraners. Even though these dogs are not papered, they are being sold as true Weimaraners to unsuspecting buyers. The color is the brown of the GSP. One of the most distinctive features of the Weim is its grey coloring, I can not imagine why someone would want to change that. If they want to hunt with a GSP, they should go buy one! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BROWN WEIMARANER. END OF CASE.